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Unread 08-23-2010, 09:26 PM   #1
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The ULTIMATE Liberty Build?

Long...but please read and comments are appreciated...positive and negative.

Well...I don't know about the "ultimate" but I believe it may just be the most radical.

I am looking for some feedback on what ya'll think...still trying to formulate and calculate on what to do...here is the rough idea.

Take a KK and add as many MOPAR parts to it to build as close to a radical OEM type Liberty as possible-

Axles from a Power Wagon (lockers and 4.56 gears)
HEMI and 545RFE from a Durango/Aspen (oil pan gives great clearance for diff and the accesories are tucked in nice and tight).
Tcase from Rubicon (Rocktrack with 4.1:1)
Control arms from a JK (long and decently flexy)
Factory coils (perhaps some OME), maybe even some heavily modded struts.
Sway bar discos from a Rubion or Power Wagon.

And the not so factory...
Full cage
Heavily cut firewal to fit the add'l 2 cylinders/ longer Hemi Length.
Custom front frame structure (maintain factory main rails only), hang fenders and custom bumper off of the tube frame.
Move rear axle back a few inches for clearance with tires and rear door.
Use only outer fenders and heavily clearance for TJ style aftermarket flat tube fenders.

Add winch, on board air, custom heater box due to modded firewall. Re-use factory dash but not the inner structure (again due to clearanced firewall).
37" tires max (sick of 40"+ builds and the lack of a good challenge with the big tires). Thinking a beadlock wheel and KM2's.

NO RADICAL SUSPENSIONS, NO CRAZY INTERIORS. Just some full width solid axles with full lockers and a low center of gravity.

Basically, as if Jeep had set out to use off the shelf parts to build the ultimate off road Liberty.

Feel free to tell me how stupid this is...it just fuels my desire to do it. I have already taken the basic measurements...and it is entirely doable!

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Unread 08-23-2010, 09:32 PM   #2
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Not stupid at all, I'd like to see it.
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Unread 08-23-2010, 09:38 PM   #3
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this sounds so so sweet. the only thing is, why all that work and use factory control arms? I don't think it would be worth the trouble to keep the factory CA's and 5 link setup. just my two cents. But I really look forward to watching this build progress!
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Unread 08-23-2010, 09:42 PM   #4
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Sounds great!

Just make sure you document your project with a plethora amount of pictures!
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Unread 08-23-2010, 09:44 PM   #5
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I hope this isnt a hoax like that WJ on 1 tons build, because this sounds AWSOME! I hope to see it happen.
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Unread 08-23-2010, 09:48 PM   #6
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this sounds so so sweet. the only thing is, why all that work and use factory control arms? I don't think it would be worth the trouble to keep the factory CA's and 5 link setup. just my two cents. But I really look forward to watching this build progress!
I'd suggest looking at some of the suspension setups on the concept vehicles like the Lower Forty and "cheat" by saying Mopar has used them, therefore it is still "Moparized." Unless I'm wrong and they all use factory designed concept parts and not production suspensions.
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Unread 08-24-2010, 06:00 AM   #7
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Sounds Pricey, but Amazing
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Unread 08-24-2010, 07:31 AM   #8
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Sounds Pricey, but Amazing

I will utilize "used" parts where possible and I can get most all KK parts for free to cheap. The engine cost will be minimal (buying wrecked Aspen and Durango for other parts).

I rebuild salvaged Libertys and Aspens (specialize in them, but do others as well). I have about 20 Libs out back for parts and will utilize a body with a hard front hit.

Won't be super cheap...but I can get it done without breaking the bank...I hope. This is a long term project as I have a LOT of parts to gather.
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Unread 08-24-2010, 07:36 AM   #9
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I hope this isnt a hoax like that WJ on 1 tons build, because this sounds AWSOME! I hope to see it happen.
Who's build was a hoax...not mine...I have done a WJ on tons (like 5 years ago though).

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Sounds great!

Just make sure you document your project with a plethora amount of pictures!
I will have to make a real effort to do that...I have very few pics of my build. I guess grabbing the camera is not real high on my list...I'll work on changing that.

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this sounds so so sweet. the only thing is, why all that work and use factory control arms? I don't think it would be worth the trouble to keep the factory CA's and 5 link setup. just my two cents. But I really look forward to watching this build progress!
I have given up on the hype of huge articulation and massive suspension travel. I am planning on super low and stable with OEM parts for reliability, low NVH #'s and simplicity of duplication (although I most likely will never build one again...unless you are buying!)
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Unread 08-24-2010, 08:12 AM   #10
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Skip the "mid-length" OEM JK arms,you will want true long arms.There are far better axles then the AAM axles from a Power Wagon,you will also want lower gears then 4.56's to run 35"+ tires even with the "so-called" HEMI.Also forget keeping it low,the KK uses the same basic suspension(IFS front that is) as the KJ and you will need a min of 8"-10" of lift to get a SFA under the front will all required links to make it work.


Have fun trying to get a 5.7 in the engine bay,your going to spend alot of $$$ to strengthin a cut up uniframe to handle the extra power.Hope your state does not have any emission testing or inspections if you plan on driving it on the street,then engine must come out of the same year vehicle or newer to be legal.Not saying it can not be done but there are better ways that are more realistic and feasible.
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Skip the "mid-length" OEM JK arms,you will want true long arms.There are far better axles then the AAM axles from a Power Wagon,you will also want lower gears then 4.56's to run 35"+ tires even with the "so-called" HEMI.Also forget keeping it low,the KK uses the same basic suspension(IFS front that is) as the KJ and you will need a min of 8"-10" of lift to get a SFA under the front will all required links to make it work.


Have fun trying to get a 5.7 in the engine bay,your going to spend alot of $$$ to strengthin a cut up uniframe to handle the extra power.Hope your state does not have any emission testing or inspections if you plan on driving it on the street,then engine must come out of the same year vehicle or newer to be legal.Not saying it can not be done but there are better ways that are more realistic and feasible.
Good observations, but he hasn't stated a budget yet, and most problems can be fixed if you throw enough money at them.
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Sounds like you will have your work cut out.
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Unread 08-24-2010, 12:19 PM   #13
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Good observations, but he hasn't stated a budget yet, and most problems can be fixed if you throw enough money at them.
Yep anything can be done with a unlimited budget,but from one of his posts he plans on using all used parts and "hoping to not break the bank" so that is a pretty low budget in mind.
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Unread 08-24-2010, 12:35 PM   #14
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Skip the "mid-length" OEM JK arms,you will want true long arms.There are far better axles then the AAM axles from a Power Wagon,you will also want lower gears then 4.56's to run 35"+ tires even with the "so-called" HEMI.Also forget keeping it low,the KK uses the same basic suspension(IFS front that is) as the KJ and you will need a min of 8"-10" of lift to get a SFA under the front will all required links to make it work.

Have fun trying to get a 5.7 in the engine bay,your going to spend alot of $$$ to strengthin a cut up uniframe to handle the extra power.Hope your state does not have any emission testing or inspections if you plan on driving it on the street,then engine must come out of the same year vehicle or newer to be legal.Not saying it can not be done but there are better ways that are more realistic and feasible.
I do not want long arms...not to say that they are a bad thing...just not needed for this build. I would rather save some clearance underneath with the mid length arms which will give me plenty of articulation for the intended purpose.

For now I plan to stick with that ratio as it will give me plenty good crawl #'s with the rocktrack case. And the "HEMI" as you call it...is a whale of an engine and plenty good for my uses here.

By no means do I need a 8-10" lift with the configurations I have measured up. Keep in mind that this is FAR from a bolt in process as the KJ SAS's previously done have nearly been (at least compared to this).

Smog is not of any concern and even with it...no issues as I will go with a new enough motor to satisfy that. (think JK Hemi conversion here...done all the time and easily passes in most states...at least those that I have done did).

BTW- Strength is not at all my concern here, it will be utilizing a full EREW cage. This is REALLY light compared to many of my past builds.

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Good observations, but he hasn't stated a budget yet, and most problems can be fixed if you throw enough money at them.
Budget is a relative term people...Under 5k...well no way but still not at all what you may think. Remember, I buy salvage and the parts I use are not the real value in the salvage purchase (I use the body panels more than the mechanical.)

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Yep anything can be done with a unlimited budget,but from one of his posts he plans on using all used parts and "hoping to not break the bank" so that is a pretty low budget in mind.
Who said anything about an unlimited budget?
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Unread 08-24-2010, 12:57 PM   #15
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I do not want long arms...not to say that they are a bad thing...just not needed for this build. I would rather save some clearance underneath with the mid length arms which will give me plenty of articulation for the intended purpose.

For now I plan to stick with that ratio as it will give me plenty good crawl #'s with the rocktrack case. And the "HEMI" as you call it...is a whale of an engine and plenty good for my uses here.

By no means do I need a 8-10" lift with the configurations I have measured up. Keep in mind that this is FAR from a bolt in process as the KJ SAS's previously done have nearly been (at least compared to this).

Smog is not of any concern and even with it...no issues as I will go with a new enough motor to satisfy that. (think JK Hemi conversion here...done all the time and easily passes in most states...at least those that I have done did).

BTW- Strength is not at all my concern here, it will be utilizing a full EREW cage. This is REALLY light compared to many of my past builds.


Budget is a relative term people...Under 5k...well no way but still not at all what you may think. Remember, I buy salvage and the parts I use are not the real value in the salvage purchase (I use the body panels more than the mechanical.)


Who said anything about an unlimited budget?
You might want to relook at where those JK arms would end up on a KK,not a good spot.Plus using OEM JK arms means you need 4 different mounts on the vehicle side(not including the track bar),your going to need alot of lift to get everything under there.Myself and RL spent about 60 hours under my KJ trying to get the lift at 6" but that was never going to happen,heck 8" would be pushing with almost zero up-travel.The front end is a carbon copy of the KJ's,keeping it low sounds good but unless you just cut everything away it's just not feaseble.A uniframe vehicle like the KK is not a good starting point for that much cutting and then welding to since most of the uniframe on a KK is HSS which should not be welded to as it weakins it greatly.


But good luck.
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