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Unread 03-16-2011, 07:30 PM   #31
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right word is pure junk,

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Unread 03-16-2011, 09:08 PM   #32
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It sounds like a walmart hair dryer


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Unread 03-16-2011, 09:34 PM   #33
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It sounds like a walmart hair dryer


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No way could it create any boost when the engine is running.It would need to spin much faster then 20,000rpm's,more like in the 100,000rpm+ range.
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Unread 03-16-2011, 09:54 PM   #34
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No way could it create any boost when the engine is running.It would need to spin much faster then 20,000rpm's,more like in the 100,000rpm+ range.


I am skeptical too..... to make 5 pounds of boost it spins rather slow. wish the makers of that thing would dyno test before and after
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Unread 03-16-2011, 10:00 PM   #35
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I am skeptical too..... to make 5 pounds of boost it spins rather slow. wish the makers of that thing would dyno test before and after
Somewhere there's a vid of someone dyno'ing one of those snake oil setup's and they lost major power after install as it became a gaint air flow obstruction when installed and running as it could not spin fast enough to keep up with the natural aspiration let alone create boost.
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Unread 03-16-2011, 10:04 PM   #36
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This gets the Snake Oil award.

The concept is good for efficient fuel burning in the combustion chamber but the hp gain is neglible... at least you won't "feel" a difference in hp:

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Unread 03-16-2011, 10:06 PM   #37
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What a joke. No way it would work efficiently. Ok so back to the question. I think a re gear is your best option simply because your engine does not like boost. As far as turbo vs super charger. A super charger would be the best option in your case. Turbo. Set UPS are touchy after market and with the change in altitude, tuning and fuel trims would be a nightmare. Supercharging would be more consistant and easier in the long run.
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Unread 03-16-2011, 10:11 PM   #38
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This is get the grand daddy Snake oil Award.


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Unread 03-16-2011, 10:22 PM   #39
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Total crap, look at the gap in the housing. REAL superchargers use very close tolerances, not 1/4" gaps. The filter is the only thing to give any( All be it small) gain in HP. These are made for dumb kids with no idea how a SC should work. I'll kick ya in the nuts for half what that cost. My .02
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Unread 03-16-2011, 10:30 PM   #40
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Total crap, look at the gap in the housing. REAL superchargers use very close tolerances, not 1/4" gaps. The filter is the only thing to give any( All be it small) gain in HP. These are made for dumb kids with no idea how a SC should work. I'll kick ya in the nuts for half what that cost. My .02
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Unread 03-17-2011, 11:43 AM   #41
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Total crap, look at the gap in the housing. REAL superchargers use very close tolerances, not 1/4" gaps. The filter is the only thing to give any( All be it small) gain in HP. These are made for dumb kids with no idea how a SC should work. I'll kick ya in the nuts for half what that cost. My .02
Dude that's great. The funny thing is, I have only recently been looking into SC and TC. And just had a huge push to learn more about what im actually driving. So with all of that, I STILL know that "SC Turbine" crap is worthless! Thats just embarrassing.
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Unread 03-17-2011, 05:32 PM   #42
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This is a nice build... would love to see a before and after dyno sheet.



Do you want v-8 performance from your XJ without the cost and complexity of a V-8 swap? Are you tired of driving a slug on the highway, even though it's a great trail rig? The answer may be in the thin air you breathe, by simply packing that thin air into your engine with a supercharger designed to increase the ponies, the driveability, and the fun factor. If you stayed awake during auto shop and chemistry classes, you know there is an ideal ratio of air to fuel that makes an engine very happy. Too little fuel and you run the risk of expensive engine damage. Too much fuel is a waste of a valuable resource. To achieve the proper balance, since we are forcing more air into the engine with a blower, supercharger guru Rick Rimmer developed this kit using an auxiliary fuel system. Since the fuel-pressure increase only comes when the regulator sees boost, stock mileage is retained as additional fuel is only supplied as needed.


The candidate for this swap is a '98 XJ Cherokee with 120,000 on the clock, which is basically stock except for the 4-inch TeraFlex lift and 32-inch tires. Our goal was to be able to pull a small tent trailer up and down the hills of Utah and Colorado without being passed by every 18-wheeler on the road, while maintaining decent fuel economy and good daily driveability. The kit we installed is a Rick Rimmer-developed 4.0L non-intercooled supercharger kit. It fits under the hood of the XJ without a hole in the hood and with no modifications to the vehicle sheetmetal at all. So this kit is invisible from the outside, making it a true sleeper.


We were successful in our goals of more power, driveability, and fun. The mileage rose to 17 mpg, up from 14. It now pulls the tent trailer up a 6 percent grade at 60 mph, and even stays in lockup overdrive all the time at freeway speeds. On top of that, we can embarrass the black-cloud diesel pickups from 0 to 60 and still have fun getting to drive it every day. Follow along as we install a supercharger on a high-mileage XJ Cherokee.


The new supercharger kit includes an Eaton supercharger, a new intake manifold that has been modified to accept the adapter plate, and a box of brackets, hoses, and fittings. The intake manifold is a dual-plane design from an '06 Wrangler, so it does require you to have the latest style power-steering pump. Look at the photos here to see if you have the latest mounting design pump, and if not, visit your local parts store or Pick-n-Pull before taking your vehicle out of service. The Eaton supercharger has an internal oil system that is independent of the engine so there is no need to plumb in an oil-pressure or return line.
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Unread 03-17-2011, 05:35 PM   #43
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supercharged...
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Unread 03-17-2011, 07:25 PM   #44
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This is a nice build... would love to see a before and after dyno sheet.
That would be fantastic! But what is the difference between the TVS and the 3-lobe? I feel like I'm taking 2 steps forwards then 3 steps back!
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Unread 03-17-2011, 08:26 PM   #45
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TVS stands for Twin Vortices Series. These Eaton superchargers have 4 lobe rotors with 160 degrees of end-to-end twist. The older “M” series superchargers had only 3 lobe rotors with 60 degrees of end-to-end twist. The TVS design allows for greater efficiency, higher pressures, and higher rotational speeds when compared to older “M” series designs
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