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Unread 08-13-2013, 09:41 AM   #1
rossman1rb
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Sunroof on KK Limited intermittent-

Just bought a 2008 KK Limited, the sunroof occasionally works and you can usually tell when it might. The switch panel is the red backlit type, if the buttons are lit bright (30% of the time) it has a 75% chance of opening but the switch will go dim and it wont close until the ignition is turned off- then it will close 100% of the time, thank God. When the button is dim nothing will work.
I have a feeling this is the controller but removing headliner is like my auto repair Kryptonite. Anyone else have this issue? Heres a pic:

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Unread 08-13-2013, 09:56 AM   #2
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How's your battery? Use the knob on the left stalk to turn interior lights completely off then try closing it and see if that makes a difference.
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Unread 08-13-2013, 10:01 AM   #3
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Yeah, the battery is brand new and fully charged- not sure if the brightness of the button is an indicator of juice available to operate the sunroof but it sure seems like it.
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Unread 08-13-2013, 10:07 AM   #4
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Have you tried experimenting with the button while driving at decent speeds?
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Unread 08-13-2013, 10:18 AM   #5
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Have you tried experimenting with the button while driving at decent speeds?
Yes- it doesnt seem to matter, occasionally the button will be semi-bright while driving so Ill hit it, some times I hear a click before it goes dim but it will always go dim.
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Unread 08-13-2013, 02:11 PM   #6
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2008 KK Sunroof

Don't know the exact answer to your issue - but here's some info from the Factory Service Manual (ignore if not applicable):

08 - Electrical/8N - Power Systems/Power Top/Diagnosis and Testing

DIAGNOSIS AND TESTING - SUNROOF
Before beginning sunroof diagnostics verify that all other power accessories are in proper operating condition. Refer to Sunroof Diagnostic Chart for possible causes. If not, a common electrical problem may exist. Refer to Wiring Diagrams, in this publication for circuit, splice and component descriptions. Check the condition of the circuit protection (20 amp circuit breaker in the Totally Integrated Power Module (TIPM)). Inspect all wiring connector pins for proper engagement and continuity. Check for battery voltage at the power sunroof drive motor, refer to Wiring Diagrams, for circuit information. If battery voltage of more than 9 volts is detected at the drive motor, proceed with the following tests (the drive motor will not operate at less than 9 volts).

Before beginning diagnosis for wind noise or water leaks, verify that the problem was not caused by releasing the control switch before the sunroof was fully closed. The sunroof module has a water-management system. If however, the sunroof glass is in a partial closed position, high pressure water may be forced beyond the water management system boundaries and onto the headlining.

SUNROOF DIAGNOSIS CHART

SYMPTOM
Sunroof motor inoperative.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Faulty control switch.
Faulty circuit ground between sunroof drive motor, control switch, and body harness.
Faulty power circuit between sunroof drive motor, control switch, and body harness.
Faulty drive motor.
Faulty drive motor electrical connector.

SYMPTOM
Audible whine when switch is depressed, sunroof does not operate.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Faulty drive motor.
Binding cable.

SYMPTOM
Audible clicking or ratcheting when switch is pressed, sunroof does not operate.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Broken or worn drive cable.
Worn drive motor gear.
Mechanisms not synchronized.

SYMPTOM
Sunroof vents and opens, but does not close.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Binding cable.
Faulty circuit.
Faulty control switch.
Faulty drive motor.
Broken trough guide

SYMPTOM
Sunroof vents, but does not open.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Binding cable or mechanism.
Faulty circuit.
Faulty switch.
Faulty drive motor.

SYMPTOM
Sunroof does not vent.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Binding cable or mechanism.
Faulty circuit.
Faulty control switch.
Faulty drive motor.

SYMPTOM
Sunroof water leak.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Drain tubes clogged or kinked or disconnected from the sunroof.
Glass panel improperly adjusted.
Faulty glass panel seal.

SYMPTOM
Gurgling sound from sunroof.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Low spot in drain hose routing, allowing water to stand.

SYMPTOM
Wind noise from sunroof.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Front of glass panel too high or rear too low.
Wind deflector not deploying.
Glass not centered in opening.
Faulty glass panel seal.

SYMPTOM
Rattles from open sunroof while driving.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Loose or broken attaching hardware.
Worn or broken mechanism.

SYMPTOM
Sunroof does not stop in the fully closed position.
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Drive motor has lost position of glass, teach procedure required to reprogram drive motor. Refer to sunroof drive motor teach procedure.
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Unread 08-14-2013, 09:14 AM   #7
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Gee, thanks, Lee- That will help a bunch! Now its time to grab my Fluke, pull the headliner and stop being a wimp about it.
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