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Unread 11-10-2013, 02:35 PM   #46
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Stopping Liberty production and focusing on Patriots and Compass to fill its void was a big enough sign of Jeeps future for me

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Unread 11-10-2013, 02:40 PM   #47
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Wondering if people had the same conversation when the KJ came out, or the XJ...
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Unread 11-10-2013, 03:05 PM   #48
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I'm sure..

I had to hear it when I had my MK.

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Unread 11-10-2013, 03:16 PM   #49
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Wondering if people had the same conversation when the KJ came out, or the XJ...
I'm old enough to remember when the YJs came out, Jeep ruined the brand with square headlights etc the oldtimers stated,
Then when the XJ came out OH MY GAWD square headlights and unibody, it was a soccer mom car before the word was invented. Everyone said it would fold in half, never would sell etc, ( now we have people who think they are the best 4 wheeler ever)
Oh and oh my....... coil springs on all 4 corners on the new Wranglers (TJs) they will never hold up or last, bring back leaf springs or Jeep will go bankrupt
and the list goes on and on
People like to moan and complain and ***** about things changing then in a year or two you see them driving exactly what they *****ed about and are out saying its the best thing ever. Anymore one of the issues is the Internet, back in the 1970s we just sat around the woodstove in the shop with 3 or 4 guys complaining, now you have so many more listening and joining in

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Unread 11-10-2013, 03:29 PM   #50
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Remember Jeeps are built not bought
like that.............
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Unread 11-10-2013, 03:51 PM   #51
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But a decent foundation is required to build upon
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Unread 11-10-2013, 05:06 PM   #52
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They just don't make them anymore that you can modify them like we used to do. My two FJ-55 Toyotas,'70 had for 16 years and well over 250K miles and the '76 with another 150K miles, both had white spokes with wide tires,well at least for those days,after market exhaust,carb and distributors from Man-a-fre and a Warn 8K winch that I was able to move from one to the other at the changeover. Reaso for the changeover was that #2 son rolled the first and even tho it was totalled,he drove it 18 miles home from the woods. The first also did the Rubicon in '75 pretty much stock.I was just getting ready to do a bunch of things to upgrade my '94 Cherokee sport,but traded it in on a '96 Yukon as I needed a larger vehicle to tow my 14' pop-up trailer. I still did some serious off roading in the Cherokee though. I really don't feel comfortable in taking my '11 Liberty off road and, except for a Wrangler, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it with anything else new with 4x4.
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Unread 11-11-2013, 10:15 PM   #53
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I'm old enough to remember when the YJs came out, Jeep ruined the brand with square headlights etc the oldtimers stated,
Then when the XJ came out OH MY GAWD square headlights and unibody, it was a soccer mom car before the word was invented. Everyone said it would fold in half, never would sell etc, ( now we have people who think they are the best 4 wheeler ever)
Oh and oh my....... coil springs on all 4 corners on the new Wranglers (TJs) they will never hold up or last, bring back leaf springs or Jeep will go bankrupt
and the list goes on and on
People like to moan and complain and ***** about things changing then in a year or two you see them driving exactly what they *****ed about and are out saying its the best thing ever.

That's it in a nutshell, right there.

I'm hoping we get a KL to test out at our desert proving grounds. Thrash it, see how it holds up, and add it to the crush pile
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Unread 11-15-2013, 10:34 AM   #54
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They just don't make them anymore that you can modify them like we used to do.
This too.
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Unread 11-15-2013, 10:52 AM   #55
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But a decent foundation is required to build upon
Just need more creativity in our thinking
I mean we stuck a 396 in the back seat of a Corvair back in 1975.
Dodge vans on 38s and 40s were not common back when we were building them but we did and they did great.
I can see a 2 inch or so lift on one with some creative trimming around the lower edges.
First 2-3 years everyone was saying you couldn't lift a KJ anymore than 2 inches or they would explode ten different ways. Then we started pushing it more and more and experimenting on other ways and now look where we are with them.
So just have to look farther outside of the box in what maybe possible .
I can see one with a LJ frame and running gear under it
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Unread 11-15-2013, 11:09 AM   #56
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Just went and looked at the KLs and they didn't look all that great. I will say the trailhawk is badass. That would be the only one I'd buy.

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Unread 11-15-2013, 12:57 PM   #57
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Just need more creativity in our thinking
I mean we stuck a 396 in the back seat of a Corvair back in 1975.
Dodge vans on 38s and 40s were not common back when we were building them but we did and they did great.
I can see a 2 inch or so lift on one with some creative trimming around the lower edges.
First 2-3 years everyone was saying you couldn't lift a KJ anymore than 2 inches or they would explode ten different ways. Then we started pushing it more and more and experimenting on other ways and now look where we are with them.
So just have to look farther outside of the box in what maybe possible .
I can see one with a LJ frame and running gear under it
You're right but the KJ and KK are still rear wheel drive light trucks with transfer cases and front axles. They may be IFS but so is everything else. The KL is a car, it's class is CUV not SUV. I've seen an AWD astro van do more than I would've ever imagined (grumpy) but I just can't see a front wheel drive vehicle being able to do much more than gravel roads. Plus, that rear drive shaft has to be pretty long which just takes away from the vehicle. There are CV axles out now that are stronger than a lot of solid ones and allow a lot more flex than almost all of the others out ($2000 per pair). I guess I just need to be convinced that this is the right direction to go. It seems like it's just a Kia with a Jeep nameplate and less capable than a Razor.
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Unread 11-15-2013, 01:23 PM   #58
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Ted, the KL can do the Rubicon in stock form. Moab too. And everything else. Is that not enough?
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Unread 11-15-2013, 01:29 PM   #59
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Ted, the KL can do the Rubicon in stock form. Moab too. And everything else. Is that not enough?
This is true, it is a competent soft roader but the videos Jeep has shown of the "trail hawk" were all Hells Revenge. A trail I've seen a Toyota Rav4 and Subaru Imprezza wagon traverse....so its really not that far ahead of the competition now is it?
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Unread 11-15-2013, 02:25 PM   #60
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sometimes i think the problem is not the capability. it the lack of interest on aftermarket companies to produce out of the shelf bolt on parts.
obviously if there is no demand for a product why to manufacture it...... and that is why we are limited with our kk and and people will be even more with a kl.

i think we complaint to much....
how many have a full lift???
how many have actual offroad tires???
how many have lockers???
how many tried custom fabrications???

all of this mods are available for the kk and sure only 5% or less have them, at least i know only few members went with lockers, only a few re-geared,
so we can not ask more for the kk if there is no demand..... and probably a kk of kl with 2" lift, mud tires and twin lockers can take you were most won't.

so maybe is not that the kk or kl are no capable... it that the owners are not capable of putting the $$$ and time to build a real off road vehicle.
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