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Unread 08-20-2013, 05:54 AM   #76
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I'm starting to think that people consider the liberty some sort of crossover. That's just not true at all. With the exception of the ifs, tiny wheel wells and a bunch of electronics, there isn't much difference between that and a XJ. The big three have been building ifs 4x4's for a long time, so has Toyota and the aftermarket has a lot of lifts. Cradle drops aren't new but there is only one company making them for a liberty. Is it a real jeep? Yup, no question. They said the same kind if stuff about the Cherokee. I think they would've sold a lot more with a solid front axle and I wish they would've left the spare on the back but I guess that's why we mod them.
This is pretty much true - I'd say the KK, XK (Commander), and XJ are all fairly similar.

Like I mentioned in my previous post - the Liberty is as real a Jeep as any. I disagree, however, that they'd have sold more with solid axles front/rear.
The IFS is a better road performing set-up, any independent suspension set-up is. That's why it was developed and used. Is it as durable, versatile, moddable? That's debateable but for the most part I'd say not quite. At least not as readily or affordably.

Surely it's apparent that Jeep has strayed from its roots in its recent platforms - ditching rugged and durable for stylish and on-road temperament. (I mean what else do you call the WK SRT8 or the KK Jet - not to mention the Compass or Patriot).

You say they'd have sold more KKs with SFAs because you want that in your rig - but keep in mind 90% of the SUV market or better have no idea what SFA even means.

All that being said - there is no question that the KK is as real a Jeep as any other.

BTW - wife's stock KK has the same roofline as my XJ w/ 4.5" lift sitting on 33's.................

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Unread 08-20-2013, 10:13 AM   #77
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This is pretty much true - I'd say the KK, XK (Commander), and XJ are all fairly similar.

Like I mentioned in my previous post - the Liberty is as real a Jeep as any. I disagree, however, that they'd have sold more with solid axles front/rear.
The IFS is a better road performing set-up, any independent suspension set-up is. That's why it was developed and used. Is it as durable, versatile, moddable? That's debateable but for the most part I'd say not quite. At least not as readily or affordably.

Surely it's apparent that Jeep has strayed from its roots in its recent platforms - ditching rugged and durable for stylish and on-road temperament. (I mean what else do you call the WK SRT8 or the KK Jet - not to mention the Compass or Patriot).

You say they'd have sold more KKs with SFAs because you want that in your rig - but keep in mind 90% of the SUV market or better have no idea what SFA even means.

All that being said - there is no question that the KK is as real a Jeep as any other.

BTW - wife's stock KK has the same roofline as my XJ w/ 4.5" lift sitting on 33's.................
You're right, I want a SFA on mine but I was thinking about those XJ folks, some who wanted to but a new jeep but didn't because of the ifs. They were even mentioned at the unveiling about how they cherished their XJ's even with 300,000 miles on them. There was no replacement in their eyes IMO.
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Unread 08-20-2013, 12:26 PM   #78
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You're right, I want a SFA on mine but I was thinking about those XJ folks, some who wanted to but a new jeep but didn't because of the ifs. They were even mentioned at the unveiling about how they cherished their XJ's even with 300,000 miles on them. There was no replacement in their eyes IMO.
Great point and your right - they had no comparable replacement, not necessarily just an opinion. ;-)
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Unread 08-20-2013, 08:39 PM   #79
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I was reading I think it was All Par site and an engineer mentioned that he had created an independent front suspension for the Lib that had excellent suspension travel not sure of how much but way much more that it has now, anyway Chrysler Corp should say the German investors according to him threw it away even though it would raised the cost of the vehicle by about $80. If this is the truth that's pretty sad. I would of spent $200 extra for that type of suspension. The article is somewhere on the All Par site forget where.
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This is pretty much true - I'd say the KK, XK (Commander), and XJ are all fairly similar.

Like I mentioned in my previous post - the Liberty is as real a Jeep as any. I disagree, however, that they'd have sold more with solid axles front/rear.
The IFS is a better road performing set-up, any independent suspension set-up is. That's why it was developed and used. Is it as durable, versatile, moddable? That's debateable but for the most part I'd say not quite. At least not as readily or affordably.

Surely it's apparent that Jeep has strayed from its roots in its recent platforms - ditching rugged and durable for stylish and on-road temperament. (I mean what else do you call the WK SRT8 or the KK Jet - not to mention the Compass or Patriot).

You say they'd have sold more KKs with SFAs because you want that in your rig - but keep in mind 90% of the SUV market or better have no idea what SFA even means.

All that being said - there is no question that the KK is as real a Jeep as any other.

BTW - wife's stock KK has the same roofline as my XJ w/ 4.5" lift sitting on 33's.................
I have an XJ with 3.5" lift on it and yes, my wife's KK roof line is about the same height when they are side by side in the garage. The difference is that the overall body height is greater on the KK than the XJ so even though the KK has less ground clearence than the XJ, it is the same height.
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