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Unread 02-07-2014, 06:11 PM   #31
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Good tires is what everyone needs to install, even with 6-8 inches of snow on the roads I hardly ever use 4 wheel drive. Its simply not needed. But then I was taught how to drive in slippery conditions back in the late 60-early 70s before all the new fandangled electronics were installed.
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I don't even get out and lock my front hubs till about 12" of snow is on the ground,so yeah I've never locked the hubs in at all during the last 4 winters unless I wanted to play on big piles of snow.

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Unread 02-07-2014, 08:56 PM   #32
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Let the wife drive my liberty in the snow. She put it in 4WD HI to get through in plowed side roads. She forgot to take it out when she hit dry pavement. She drive it like 15 miles in HI should I be worried
As I been reading through this post, it could be beneficial to you the next time you take your vehicle in, is to have the system checked out. For now if you want to test it on your own in a snow covered area or dirt and listen and feel out of the ordinary you could do that. I drove mine for about 15 miles in 4wd but the roads were covered with snow and filled with crazy Jersey Drivers - I have no issues with system at all.

I do have a question about command track and select track. Owning a command track Lib I have 2hi,N,4hi,4lo. Does select track have 2hi, N,4hi,4lo and auto?

If so it is an extra option, so in that sense it would be better, but it is an extra option and it could be something else that could go wrong down the road. It depends on how well both systems were built.

One thing about awd I'm not fond of, at least what I learned about Subaru that the tires almost have to be the same kind and tire wear or it messes up the system. A friend was fixing his son's WRX with a flat tire and had to buy 4 new tires because the tire he needed wasn't available and his other 3 tires were worn down fairly well so a new tire would might mess some things up for him. Not sure how sensitive the select trac is in the Lib.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 09:14 PM   #33
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In reality, all 4wd and AWD vehicles should have a matched set of tires. What negates the need with 4wd as much, is that it isn't used all the time, and on dirt and other slippery surfaces the tires can slip to offset the differences in tires. With AWD, on any system really, you can't have more than a 1/2" difference in circumference from the largest tire, to the smallest. Not diameter, but circumference. Any more difference will create too much difference in turning speeds of the front and rear tires. This confuses the AWD systems into thinking there is wheel slippage. It thereby locks the system to fix the slippage it thinks it is seeing. This loads the drivetrain, just like using 4wd on dry pavement. Broken CV joints, u-joints, munched T-cases or clutch packs are common results.

With the Select-trac, and the other systems that allow a choice of 2wd, 4wd part time and full time, if you plan to run them in the AWD/Fulltime mode, you must have a matched set of tires.

The select-trac t-case(NP242?) is known for not being as robust as the NP241. For more serious wheeling, it may not take the abuse. The fulltime mode is nice on snow, but it really isn't needed. Its nice if you are on transitioning conditions, going from pavement to snow and back often and you don't want to constantly shift from 4wd to 2wd. Some members on here have it, probably not my choice, it just came with it when they bought the thing. To consider it an upgrade over a regular t-case, I guess you could say that if you think you need a babysitter/nanny nipple on your jeep to do the work for you, lol. Neither of our vehicles that we own have ABS, TCS, ESC or any of that other stuff. All I have seen it do, is give drivers a fall sense of security, leading to brainless acts while driving. If you use good sense, pay attention to road conditions, there is no need for any of it. I'm with the others, after ditching the all seasons on my jeep, I've hardly used the 4wd in the snow. The only time has been due to hapless idiots who glazed an intersection on a hill.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 09:23 PM   #34
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With the Select-trac, and the other systems that allow a choice of 2wd, 4wd part time and full time
That would be in a KJ. A KK with Select-trac has 2wd, n, 4wd auto and 4wd low.

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I do have a question about command track and select track. Owning a command track Lib I have 2hi,N,4hi,4lo. Does select track have 2hi, N,4hi,4lo and auto?


Only difference with a KK with Command-trac is "auto" instead of "lock".
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Unread 02-07-2014, 09:30 PM   #35
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Only difference with a KK with Command-trac is "auto" instead of "lock".
More like the lack of part time 4wd in the select trac II verses the lack of full time 4wd in the command trac II.
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Unread 02-08-2014, 02:18 PM   #36
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This is what I have this is why I asked the question should I worry? 2WD 4WD lock 4WLOW
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Unread 02-08-2014, 08:29 PM   #37
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Honestly your probably ok, yes you have Command Trac. And you should try not to use 4W anything on dry pavement, but that does not mean if you drive it once that way its toast or anything. You will see a few that say they have seen it, but I never have and you do not see much talk about somebody screwing up their system by doing this on the web. Test it out, just see if it will shift into 4Hi and 4Lo, you can hear it engage, roll it a dozen feet in a straight line and see if it sounds like obvious grinding or clanking. If not, Id bet your fine and tell the old lady no touchy that little switch.

Your only other option is to take it in and have it checked out.
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Unread 02-08-2014, 10:02 PM   #38
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Thanx Ranger I think I'm fine too. I went into a snow cover field and put the 4x4 system through the test nothing seems to be wrong I'm going to bring it to get the tranny rear and 4x4 fluids changed in June so if there is a problem I'll find out then. As far as the wife she usually pretty good she just forgot about it. So I'm going to forget to take out the garbage for a week.
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Unread 02-09-2014, 09:57 AM   #39
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I have optional 4wd on mine and she rarely goes out of it being the middle of no where Ohio. My work commute is about 40 mile round trip. City driving, highway driving, parking lot drifts always been in 4wd. Haven't had any issue only the occasional chirping when turning to sharply. Nothing to worry about though
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Unread 02-09-2014, 10:12 AM   #40
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Thanx Ranger I think I'm fine too. I went into a snow cover field and put the 4x4 system through the test nothing seems to be wrong I'm going to bring it to get the tranny rear and 4x4 fluids changed in June so if there is a problem I'll find out then. As far as the wife she usually pretty good she just forgot about it. So I'm going to forget to take out the garbage for a week.
You can save a few bucks by doing the fluids besides the tranny yourself. Very easy.
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Unread 02-09-2014, 10:19 AM   #41
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I have seen people not using the 4wd and are happy with 2wd. In my opinion we should occasionally run in 4wd just keep all parts in condition. I recently rented a brand new patriot and it was good drive in the 2 inch snow. But at the turns I noticed back wheels skidding on the snow. So 4wd alone can't help, need snow tiers and respect for snow.
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Unread 02-09-2014, 01:26 PM   #42
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You can save a few bucks by doing the fluids besides the tranny yourself. Very easy.
Is there a link to show how to do it
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Unread 02-09-2014, 08:55 PM   #43
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Is there a link to show how to do it
I've got a few pictures and could talk ya through it. I'm pretty sure on this forum or lostjeeps are a few writeups. VERY VERY EASY. The "hardest" one is probably the rear, only because you have to take the cover off and add new gasket sealer.
The easiest one to do is the front diff.
The transfer case is easy too but you have to hold the bottle at an awkward angle to get the fluid in, but nothing my 5 dollar tool from Walmart couldn't handle. I'll see if I can dig up a few pictures. I can get a picture of that piece from Walmart, too. It just connects to a bottle and is a long tube.
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Thanx I would appreciate it
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Thanx I would appreciate it
PM'd you. Delete some of your inbox. One more thing to send you.
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