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Unread 02-05-2014, 09:22 AM   #16
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Why should warranty cover it?
I guess too many times I still put my old Service Managers hat on and think of the folks who tried to pull one on the dealership where I worked. A warranty should be something covered that was a manufacturing mistake, not one made by the consumer .
Lol your right I've seen it many times in retail customers returning things that clearly broke by their misuse. However I think I dodged a bullet drove her today in the snow tested it out no signs of any problems. I also called 3 different dealerships spoke to 3 different techs that told me not to worry about it

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Unread 02-05-2014, 11:30 PM   #17
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Are manufacturing mistakes inculded in the MSRP by chance? If they are next time I buy a Jeep I'll see if I can opt out of that option
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Unread 02-06-2014, 03:16 AM   #18
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Why would 4wd HI be an issue?
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Unread 02-06-2014, 09:52 AM   #19
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Front and back wheels are locked together. When you turn each wheel spins at a different speed which binds the driveline. That binding will eventually break stuff. You get away with it offroad because there's slip that allows that to be eliminated. Even going straight binds the driveline due to slight differences in tire height and even though both axles are 3.73s, there's a slight difference in each.
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Unread 02-06-2014, 11:46 AM   #20
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Front and back wheels are locked together. When you turn each wheel spins at a different speed which binds the driveline. That binding will eventually break stuff. You get away with it offroad because there's slip that allows that to be eliminated. Even going straight binds the driveline due to slight differences in tire height and even though both axles are 3.73s, there's a slight difference in each.
The front and rear driveshafts are locked together,not wheels.The D30M and C8.25 in your KK are not geared the same even though they state they are,the front diff will be geared slightly higher then the rear so the front axle will spin slightly faster.The only way you can have identical gear ratio's front and rear is if you have the same axle front and rear like TJ/JK Rubicons have(D44's front and rear).

Little example,when I switched to 4.10's in my KJ the rear gears were actually 4.10 ratio while the front gears were actually 4.09's.Same goes for no with my HP60 rear which is actually 5.14 gears with the front HP44 being 5.13's but both gear sets are labeled 5.13's.
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Unread 02-06-2014, 08:43 PM   #21
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So driving in snow covered roads in 4 hi would be ok for distance. Went to pick up my wife in 4 hi for about 20 plus miles. Haven't noticed any thing.
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Unread 02-06-2014, 08:53 PM   #22
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So driving in snow covered roads in 4 hi would be ok for distance. Went to pick up my wife in 4 hi for about 20 plus miles. Haven't noticed any thing.
As long as the road was slippery enough for the wheels to slip.
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Unread 02-06-2014, 08:56 PM   #23
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I drove back home from Chicago in 4 wd. (Live in Minneapolis). That's why you don't buy a entry level drive system. Dave
Still shaking my head at this statement. I didn't know a weaker, inferior t-case with a babysitter option(full time mode) was superior to a better built, stronger t-case. Hate to break your heart, but some circles consider the Liberty an entry level 4wd.

I don't consider it that, but I would rethink what you consider entry level. Snobbery usually doesn't fly far in the jeep community.
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Unread 02-06-2014, 09:20 PM   #24
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You have 2 options,Command track and Select track ,one has to be the entry level and one the optional.Both are good.
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Unread 02-06-2014, 09:36 PM   #25
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You have 2 options,Command track and Select track ,one has to be the entry level and one the optional.Both are good.
No "entry level" ,one is standard while the other is a option unless you have a manual trans then you have no option of the select tracII.
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Unread 02-06-2014, 09:41 PM   #26
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What would be your description of an ENTRY LEVEL 4x4 system ?
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Unread 02-06-2014, 10:38 PM   #27
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What would be your description of an ENTRY LEVEL 4x4 system ?
A horse, or wait I know...
A Jeep Cherokee KL. That's pretty entry level. If you think there needs to be an entry level 4x4, or think you need one, either way, go buy a Prius.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 05:00 AM   #28
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What would be your description of an ENTRY LEVEL 4x4 system ?
There is no entry level
Both transfer cases have been used for a long time in 1000's and 1000's of vehicles. They are both good solid transfer cases just made for different styles of driving.
But certainly neither are entry level. Not even sure what that means in a 4 wheel drive. I mean some consider a more stripped down with no added accessories as entry level, but even they had/ have the same transfer case installed
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Unread 02-07-2014, 05:04 AM   #29
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So driving in snow covered roads in 4 hi would be ok for distance. Went to pick up my wife in 4 hi for about 20 plus miles. Haven't noticed any thing.
Good tires is what everyone needs to install, even with 6-8 inches of snow on the roads I hardly ever use 4 wheel drive. Its simply not needed. But then I was taught how to drive in slippery conditions back in the late 60-early 70s before all the new fandangled electronics were installed.
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Unread 02-07-2014, 09:22 AM   #30
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Good tires is what everyone needs to install, even with 6-8 inches of snow on the roads I hardly ever use 4 wheel drive. Its simply not needed. But then I was taught how to drive in slippery conditions back in the late 60-early 70s before all the new fandangled electronics were installed.
Exactly! Good knowledge and good tires. Can't completely relate (I wasn't even alive in the 60's and hardly even the 70's). Ha ha, sorry Tom had to throw that jab!

But growing up driving big tanks with rear weak drive (79 Malibu and '78 Cadillac sedan de'ville) if you didn't learn how to "respect" the snow, then you were just gonna end up in your own dug in hole.

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