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Unread 04-25-2014, 01:29 PM   #1
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Mysterious oil usage.

As the title states, I have a mysterious oil usage phenomenon. When I fill up my gas tank I always check my oil, and if the Jeep has been driven locally it uses about half a quart. But, on long highway distances it uses almost a full quart. Funny thing is, there are NO leaks that are evident, anywhere, except for the power steering. I have taken my creeper and my Might-D Light LED light under there and inspected every inch that I can see, and bottom of motor (and transmission) is dry, plus there are no leak spots on clean concrete or pavement, and the plugs are clean and normal. The only leak that I have found was a minor one from the power steering cooler line, and a left outer CV shaft boot that's starting to show signs of seepage. Otherwise, it's dry as a bone under there.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

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Unread 04-25-2014, 03:41 PM   #2
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assuming with a 2002 kj your mileage is on higher end? Had similar experiences with kjs with very high mileage for work trucks burning up oil. Vehicles ran great, still plenty power/torgue, zero leaks, no smoke or any other obvious signs. Finally one workday, was able to determine cause of at least for these kjs: coworker was driving behind me in another truck in a busy highway interchange area and the 05kj i was driving was throwing heavy blue smoke he said, but only in quick fits as I was going heavy throttle to enter highway, lane changes, etc. But once back to easier rpm, or idling, no smoke at all, but I was constantly adding oil at fillups. The trucks actually ran really well still and for a very long time like this with us adding oil very frequently; with the overall fleet maintenance program being very poor. That was our experience.
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Unread 04-25-2014, 03:54 PM   #3
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116708 miles. The exhaust pipe doesn't show any signs of smoke, soot, etc. But that is something to consider, the smoke on acceleration. Thanks.
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Unread 04-29-2014, 09:58 AM   #4
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Bump.
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Unread 04-29-2014, 07:28 PM   #5
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I'd second the burn hypothesis. If you are convinced it's not dripping out somewhere then it really only leaves a burn-off. Only other things I've personally seen happen is valve cover leaking onto exhaust (near #6) but you'd usually smell that one.
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Unread 04-30-2014, 01:12 PM   #6
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Then that explains what's happening to my 02 with 107,000 miles.

I don't check the oil on every fill-up, but when I check it monthly, it's either right on the mark or a good quart low.

Erratic oil consumption in other words.

Any ideas out there on how to correct the problem?
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Unread 05-05-2014, 01:18 PM   #7
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I had recently checked my exhaust for soot or other build up. If a vehicle is burning up to a quart of oil every tank then there should be some oily residue in the exhaust pipe, but my findings indicate a normal burn. Plus, I have had my fiance follow me a few times, from the grocery store, from her boys baseball game, and to go get her oldest boys XJ, and she has never seen any smoke coming out of my exhaust. So with the combination of clean plugs, low soot content, and no smoke, I can rule out burning oil.

Another possibility is that it could be dripping while running or driving, but you would think that it would have some residual dripping after I park the Jeep, but still no drips have been found on the ground, or on a clean sheet of card board.

Back to the drawing board.
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Unread 05-05-2014, 04:44 PM   #8
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Just grabbing at straws here, but I'm wondering if synthetic oil would leave the same kind of residue as standard oil would normally leave in the exhaust pipe.

Maybe the reason for such a clean index finger???
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Unread 05-05-2014, 04:58 PM   #9
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Good idea, but Ironically, I am using the same amount of oil after the oil change to synthetic blend. I only have about 2500 miles on my switch.
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Unread 05-05-2014, 07:43 PM   #10
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Just curious what air filter you are using, and how far you go between oil changes? If oil is disappearing, it's either leaking, or burning off. You may not see the smoke either. You also need to evaluate how old your PCV valve is, and do you have signs of oil in the pcv lines.
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Unread 05-05-2014, 08:12 PM   #11
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The air filter looks great, it's a wix filter. I'll take a look at the pcv system the first chance I get.
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Unread 05-05-2014, 09:04 PM   #12
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If you are going too long between oil changes, or in the past the engine has gone too long between oil changes, then you could have some sludge build up as well. BG 109 before an oil change, then followed with MOA may help.
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Unread 05-06-2014, 08:05 AM   #13
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My maintenance schedule is very good, but I can't say for the P.O. When I had run my VIN (to search my Jeep's history), I had came up with two previous owners. The last one before me was a private owner, the first one was a car rental agency out of Colorado from around the ski areas. I will take a look at the PCV system and look for oil sludge on my next oil change this weekend.
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Unread 05-06-2014, 07:02 PM   #14
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Fleets skimp as cheap as they can. So figure there are some deposits in the engine.
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Unread 05-07-2014, 09:20 PM   #15
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can you put some dye in the oil and then check for leaks when you add the next quart of oil?
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