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Unread 07-13-2010, 04:27 PM   #1
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Liberty Lift Choice,,advice please

Hey ,
I am looking at a full suspension lift, as my Lib is just short of 200 k miles, I want to replace as much of the worn factory parts as possible with one kit (ball joints, struts/shocks, springs, etc).

I have narrowed it down to 2 different lifts, with a pretty big difference in price. price isnt as critical as off-road ability and ruggedness and completeness of the kit.

The lifts are the 3" Rockfather 2 (or Rockfather Deluxe) from Rocky Road
The BEST KJ Jeep Liberty lift on the market (or cherokee outside of the USA, 2002 and newer)
This seems to be my best option, offering more for the price.

The other is the 2.5" system from Rusty's Off-Road Rustys Offroad: KJ Liberty 2.5" Suspension Kit ('02-'06)

I would appreciate advice from those who have actually used either of these kits, how do they preform, how rugged in real off-road use ( I take mine camping & hunting in some very rough areas). I'd like running 245/75R16 tires or slightly bigger if possible.

Thanks, see ya on the trails,,,,

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Unread 07-13-2010, 05:57 PM   #2
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OK, was doing some more research, add the Frankenlift http://www.boulderbars.com/frankenlift.htm
to the proposed purchase list. How do these 3 stack up?
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Unread 07-13-2010, 06:43 PM   #3
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OK, was doing some more research, add the Frankenlift All J Products - Jeep Liberty KJ FRANKENLIFT
to the proposed purchase list. How do these 3 stack up?
The Frankinlift blows anything that RRO sells out of the water,AllJ's has 100% better customer service also.

Just erase RRO lifts from any list,it's just not worth it dealing with them,Rusty's coil lift uses OE rated coils and they sag fast.


1-Frankinlift
2-OME lift
3-any JBA lift-Jeep Liberty lift kits, Specializing in upper control arms & axle swaps
4-BDS lift(coil lift)
5-Daystar spacer lift










































10000000-Rusty's coil lift
10000001-any RRO lift
10000002-any OTT spacer lift
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Unread 07-13-2010, 07:14 PM   #4
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Pretty close to what I would of said
My first OME spring lift went 100,000 miles and now its on another KJ.
I installed ( under protest) a Rustys on another friends here in town. With less than 30,000 miles on it , yes it has sagged over 2 inches already and needing replaced
RRO is just bad to deal with
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Unread 07-13-2010, 08:16 PM   #5
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Thjanks for the input, especially regarding the quick sag-time of some systems. As I do 110 miles daily to & from work, and get it out camping & hunting at least 20 or so times a year, it sees mileage fast.
Will put serious consideration into the Frankenlift, this is the kind od advice I come here for,, not the "Well, this dude told me about his girlfriends cousins best friends beer brinking buddy who says.........." type of stuff.

With these kits will I have to hammer down the pinch-weld to clear 245-75R16's?
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Unread 07-13-2010, 08:39 PM   #6
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Pinch welds
Depends on wheel width, backspacing and type of tires, seem some that you had to, some you didn't. For most its one of those things like bumpstops, cheap insurance.
I've installed 16 Kj lifts along with helping with 4 or 5 more, All but 2 were either frankenlifts or OME with spacers etc. Everyone is happy with the OMEs
Rides good, handles well etc
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Unread 07-15-2010, 10:13 PM   #7
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Yep, the Frankenlift is the best. I put on the Frankenlift II setup and also installed Al's upper A Arms and replaced the lower ball joints with greasable Moog's. Next to opening up the exhaust, that was the best investment I made on my CRD. I regularly take the Libby off road, thru the fields and washouts on my farm and the Frankenlift performs great. My wife noticed better handling on the road right away... the Libby stayed more sure footed crossing rough railroad crossings at highway speeds.
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Unread 07-24-2010, 05:21 PM   #8
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OK, I ordered the FL2 deluxe as well as the upper A-arms from Al. I also ordered extended f+r stainless braided brake lines, Moog greasable lower ball joints, new tie rod ends, new sway bar bushings and am even considering new bushings for the rear sway bar and wishbone mounts, I want this to be basically a completely new suspension. I have a 3 day weekend next week, if my work schedule doesnt change, so I should have it all in following that.

As for wheels, I am runnign Rubicon Moab wheels (TJ type)currently with 230/70R16's, but will be switching up to 245/75R16's ( or slightly larger if I can manage) once they wear out.

Now all I have to do is stop the checkbook hemorhaging and then get back to working on my '80 CJ-5.
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Unread 03-25-2015, 06:41 AM   #9
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Hey Everyone,
Been awhile since I was here but the time has come once again I turn to the Real world Pros for advice. Bought my Daughter a 2005 KJ Original Owner Mint Condition. She has had it a year now and Absolutely Luvs it. I am Looking to do a 2.5 Lift with 30” M/T tires and my Goal is to maintain the Ride, Stability and Handling to OEM or Better, and to do it right the first time. This is a Daily Driver and Occasionally will go play in the trails do some very amateur off Road play but for the most part the lift and tires are Just for the Look. Yes cost is a factor but I am willing to spend some extra and get it right the first time. So Here I am I have been researching different Kits and I have read all your Posts I could find... TMUDD and TJKJ thank you for Lots of Good Info and the RRO Save... My head is still spinning. I have to say I was about to buy the RRO Complete kit until I came over to JF and took a Look at some of your review, Wow Shocked is an understatement. I know some of the posts were a few years old but unless the consensus has changed, if they are half as bad as what I read I just may have avoided a Disaster.
At this point with all the input from JF its looking like JBA or FrankenLift. I want a Complete Kit cause the Aircraft Tech in me will want to replace the front struts and rear shocks too just to make sure everything is new and perfect with the whole suspension and functions as OEM to go with the Lift Since this is a Daily driver and mainly a Look cool mod. I was leaning to the FL for a little cost savings but Hows the Ride and Handling compare to the JBA Adjust-A-Struts? I can easily do the assembly on the front struts to save a few extra bucks. Ride, Stability and Reliability are Top Priority. I need a little Update on if these two Kits are what you Guys are still recommending them as your top picks. Also, I am not sure about the Back space on the wheels, I read one of the Posts and someone said 4 inch backspace will work with the 245/75R16 tires. I want it to look aggressive with the tires filling the well as much as possible. Any input would be Appreciated.
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Unread 03-25-2015, 09:06 AM   #10
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Look to jeepinbyal for several different lifts
Full spring kits include springs and shocks
OME gives you 2.5 inches of lift ( not the 1.5 advertised)
Ironman gives you 2.5 inches
Now if you want more then you can add a 3/8 inch clevis lift for 3/4 inch more lift and then also a 1/4 inch top plate for another 1/2 inch on either one of the above
IF you go above 3 inches you need to go to the JBA upper control arms though.
Then there is the tommudd econo kit which has shocks, springs, UCA etc in one kit
Next is the caddy of lifts the adjustable coilover setup
With any of the above f course you'll want to throw in some extended bumpstops, teraflex in the front and two hockey pucks per side in the rear( bolted down to the spring perch)
When you decide which ones let us know and we may have more suggestions
16 X 7 wheels with 4 inches of backspacing sits the tire and wheel out even with the flare and looks good

I've personally ran two different OME setups, tested the ironman and now running the adjustable coilovers. Have installed a ton of OME lifts and rode in them so hopefully will be able to answer any questions you may have
Have over 194,000 lifted miles on mine, 214,000 on the KJ so far
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Unread 03-26-2015, 07:47 PM   #11
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If you are considering the full OME kit, OK4WD.com lists it starting at $845.00 with free shipping....I love JBA but free shipping is free shipping....my Ironman lift from JBA shipping cost was nearly $90.00....
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Unread 03-27-2015, 02:25 AM   #12
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Free shipping! I wish that applied to me. I desperately wanted to do an OME lift on my Liberty but alas, I live in Alaska where you are bent over and taken forcefully for shipping. I settled for Napa Monroe complete strut kit, clevis lift and JBA 1/4" top spacer plates up front and AC Delco OEM style springs in the rear. The combination works fine for a daily driver and occasional trails to my fishing spots. I should be happy with that because the real work is done with my spray paint matte black 83 CJ 7 that also pulls duty as a part time yard ornament
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Unread 03-29-2015, 06:58 PM   #13
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Tom Thanks for the input, I think I have decided to go with the OME Lift Kit. I'm takin your word on the 1.5 Kit really being 2.5".... Was about to order it from JBA until Twowings added his post, LOl... For what we are trying to achieve I think spending 2`3K on a lift for 30" tires is a bit overboard. Who knows I may eat my words on that when I drive it Lol...
Thanks Twowings Just checked it out Free shipping is defiantly a motivator for me. Thanks for that info you just saved me enough for a nice set of bumperstops from Teraflex :-)
I will post some before and after Pics when I get started.
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Unread 03-30-2015, 01:05 PM   #14
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Trust me thats what OME gives you, over 30 KJ lifts and most of them have been OME plus extras
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