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Unread 03-11-2012, 02:00 PM   #1
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Ignition Switch Problem

I went to start my Jeep and the key turns forward but it feels "empty", like nothing is catching or there and of course wont start. The acc. lights come on and wont turn off by removing the key so I disconnected the batt.
I took out the ignition/key cylinder and tried to start it with a screw driver and nothing. Feels the same as when the key cylinder is in.
So my question is, is there some thing I can do to reset or repair in some way? Or do I replace the parts? And finally, if I replace the Ignition Switch Actuator Pin, would this solve the problem?
Thanks in advance!!

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Unread 03-12-2012, 02:09 AM   #2
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I went to start my Jeep and the key turns forward but it feels "empty", like nothing is catching or there and of course wont start. The acc. lights come on and wont turn off by removing the key so I disconnected the batt.
I took out the ignition/key cylinder and tried to start it with a screw driver and nothing. Feels the same as when the key cylinder is in.
So my question is, is there some thing I can do to reset or repair in some way? Or do I replace the parts? And finally, if I replace the Ignition Switch Actuator Pin, would this solve the problem?
Thanks in advance!!
Sounds like the ignition switch actuator pin is broken...there are many threads on this problem but the main thing is to not believe the Dealers when they tell you that you cannot buy the pin itself but have to buy the whole steering column assembly.

Remove the two plastic covers around the steering column by removing the two Torx screws from underneath. You will see the ignition switch...lots of wires coming out...screwed to the steering column at the base of the key cylinder. It is held on by a small "security" Torx screw ie. you need the male Torx bit with a hole in the middle to remove it.
Remove this screw and pull off the ignition switch...you will probably now see the broken actuator pin which is a rectangular piece of plastic or metal with a hole down the middle.
To start your KJ, insert key in the lock so as to undo the steering lock and if you have the SKIM security you need the key with its chip inserted into the key slot.
Using a small flat screwdriver you can now turn the ignition switch to start the engine.
If this is your problem...report back here to get links on where to get the actuator pin at the best price.
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Unread 03-12-2012, 05:45 PM   #3
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Thanks Bill! I agree about the pin. I've got one coming tomorrow.

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Sounds like the ignition switch actuator pin is broken...there are many threads on this problem but the main thing is to not believe the Dealers when they tell you that you cannot buy the pin itself but have to buy the whole steering column assembly.

Remove the two plastic covers around the steering column by removing the two Torx screws from underneath. You will see the ignition switch...lots of wires coming out...screwed to the steering column at the base of the key cylinder. It is held on by a small "security" Torx screw ie. you need the male Torx bit with a hole in the middle to remove it.
Remove this screw and pull off the ignition switch...you will probably now see the broken actuator pin which is a rectangular piece of plastic or metal with a hole down the middle.
To start your KJ, insert key in the lock so as to undo the steering lock and if you have the SKIM security you need the key with its chip inserted into the key slot.
Using a small flat screwdriver you can now turn the ignition switch to start the engine.
If this is your problem...report back here to get links on where to get the actuator pin at the best price.
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Unread 03-13-2012, 12:32 PM   #4
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Replaced the actuator pin and problem solved! Great Youtube video of how.
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Unread 03-14-2012, 01:36 AM   #5
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Replaced the actuator pin and problem solved! Great Youtube video of how.

Glad you fixed it

I have no problems with my 2002 CRD but obviously the age is not what causes the pin to break but rather the number of times the key is turned.

Most of my mileage in our Jeep has been achieved on long trips on the freeways and nowadays the Jeep sits parked in the Garage most of the time and is only taken out occasionaly for maybe a trip into the nearby Game Park.

I need to nurse this CRD as it has to last me many more years and so we use a little BMW E30 as our daily drive!
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Unread 03-25-2013, 02:29 PM   #6
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They told me that the whole steering colomn needs to be changed cause some pins inside are broken. Is it true that the mechanic that told me this is lying an I can actually change the pins only
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Unread 03-26-2013, 05:48 AM   #7
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They told me that the whole steering colomn needs to be changed cause some pins inside are broken. Is it true that the mechanic that told me this is lying an I can actually change the pins only

They are lying....replace the actuator pin only...there are plenty posts on how to change it and where to buy it.
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Unread 05-27-2013, 08:54 AM   #8
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Hi,

I think I may have the same issue here.

Does anyone know where you can buy this part in the UK (without being fleeced by the dealerships) - is it only salvage or are there any UK distributors for Dorman as per their YouTube video on the topic?

Many thanks
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Unread 05-27-2013, 03:43 PM   #9
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Hmmmm, have had a quick look and now have another issue - ignition parts covered by a lockshield (Kiltech) - anyone advise how to continue?

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Unread 06-03-2013, 06:17 PM   #10
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Ok, so I unscrewed the ignition switch and the broken bit of the actuator pin fell out confirming the no start issue (I can now start the Jeep with a screwdriver when the key is in the barrel).

However, in order to get into the other side of the column to replace this part, as explained in the post above the lockshield is in the way. Is there any other way to replace this without first removing/destroying the lockshield?

Ideas welcome, thanks!
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Unread 06-04-2013, 01:14 AM   #11
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Ok, so I unscrewed the ignition switch and the broken bit of the actuator pin fell out confirming the no start issue (I can now start the Jeep with a screwdriver when the key is in the barrel).

However, in order to get into the other side of the column to replace this part, as explained in the post above the lockshield is in the way. Is there any other way to replace this without first removing/destroying the lockshield?

Ideas welcome, thanks!

Have you tried your friend Google?

Obviously you do not have access to the previous owner......have you tried contacting the suppliers of the Lockshield. Otherwise you will need to hack out the Lockshield or find a complete steering column assembly...with keys...from a breaker yard.
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Unread 06-04-2013, 03:16 AM   #12
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Hi Billwill,

Thanks for the reply.

Google was how I found the video explaining how to replace the pin, which looked quite easy - it's just annoying that there's another hurdle in the lockshield!

Not sure if I can post a link but this is the company whose product it is, and all emails are bouncing back unfortunately - http://www.kiltech.co.uk/about_lockshield.htm

Is it a big job to cut out? Do you expect this to count as a modification for insurance purposes?

Thanks again

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Unread 06-05-2013, 01:58 AM   #13
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Hi Billwill,

Thanks for the reply.

Google was how I found the video explaining how to replace the pin, which looked quite easy - it's just annoying that there's another hurdle in the lockshield!

Not sure if I can post a link but this is the company whose product it is, and all emails are bouncing back unfortunately - http://www.kiltech.co.uk/about_lockshield.htm

Is it a big job to cut out? Do you expect this to count as a modification for insurance purposes?

Thanks again
I have no information about this Lockshield product as we do not get it here in SA.....anything can be cut out using a small angle grinder.

If needs be you can disconnect your battery and remove the complete steering column to take to an Engineering Works to remove the Lockshield assembly. You will need a small wheel-puller to pull off the steering wheel....make careful note of how the clock spring under the Steering Wheel Boss is fitted.....the spring will unwind itself as you remove it and when you re-fit it you need to line up a "flag" inside a clear plastic window on the clock spring assembly when re-fitting....do not try to remove the complete steering shaft assembly without first removing the steering wheel and clockspring .
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Unread 06-05-2013, 12:49 PM   #14
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A quick google reveals the lockshield is a thatcham approved device so may help with vehicle security and insurance premiums when fitted. It seems it is fitted with with four counter sunk allen head screws which then have ball bearings knocked into the allen recess and glue over the top. If you can pick the bearings out of the recess it should be fairly easy to remove. If you can't do that you either need to try and remove the head of the screws with a drill or die grinder, or cut/saw the bracket off. If the screws can be removed you can obviously refit the shield.
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Jeep ignition problems

I went out to start my 06 Jeep Liberty one afternoon and nothing happened. It wouldn't start. It wouldn't even make a sound. No clicking, no turn over. The battery worked fine, windows, radio, lights, etc. It almost felt like the key wouldn't turn far enough to turn it on. So after exhausting most options, I had it towed to a mechanic. He said it was the ignition switch and that inorder to replace it I had to replace the entire steering column. Around $650. I had a minor melt down and called the Jeep dealership. They said the same thing, only now it was up to $1000. They even said they had one in right now for the same thing. Feeling unhappy and broke. I googled Jeep ignition switch problems and it lead me to this site, and thank god it did. You do not have to replace the entire steering column, you need a $39.99 ignition actuator pin kit from any auto parts store. There is a you tube video that shows step by step how to replace it. Had I not googled it I wouldn've spent $610 more dollars. DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM TELL YOU TO REPLACE THE WHOLE STEERING COLUMN! I just did this today and my Jeep is fine. Starts right up. Try this first, if anything you are only out 40 bucks. Follow the links that the other ppl have posted to the youtube video and the actual part. I have never posted on anything like this before, but felt I had to after what it did for me!!!! So thank you for posting people!!!!!!
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