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Unread 02-15-2007, 01:36 PM   #1
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CRD Oil Capacity?

recently went in to my Chrysler dealer for my first oil change on the CRD....manual calls for 6.1 litres including that required to fill the filter.

I get billed for 8 litres...so I question it and told that 6.1 litres just fills it to the add mark on the dip stick and that it really requires 8 litres to fill....go figure??

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You guys / gals in the States paying $140 ( CDN) for CRD oil change??....

Also should the water seperator be serviced at any specific time....ie at oil change??

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Unread 02-15-2007, 01:43 PM   #2
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Here in the USA, we put in 6.4 qts period. No line, just full. On some, it won't be up to the full line because of mismarked dip sticks. The fuel filter should be changed every 25,000 miles. If you suspect water in the fuel, you can disconect the sensor, open up the drain and see if you get water out. And any time if the WIF sensor light comes on.
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Unread 02-15-2007, 01:44 PM   #3
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you better make sure it isn't overfilled. The manual does not lie. You also have to compensate for the oil that is left in the engine after it drains. I go by quarts and I know you have a CRD, but it put in what the manual says and it fills it to the top mark perfectly. I have always gone by the manual and had the same result. Did you check the dipstick?
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Unread 02-15-2007, 01:51 PM   #4
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you better make sure it isn't overfilled. The manual does not lie. You also have to compensate for the oil that is left in the engine after it drains. I go by quarts and I know you have a CRD, but it put in what the manual says and it fills it to the top mark perfectly. I have always gone by the manual and had the same result. Did you check the dipstick?

You must a newer style dip stick. I think there is a TSB out for the mismarked one. I made my own mark after draining the engine for 20 minutes, as well as carefully measuring . If you overfill it, the oil will go places that aren't desirable.
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Unread 02-15-2007, 02:06 PM   #5
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You must a newer style dip stick. I think there is a TSB out for the mismarked one. I made my own mark after draining the engine for 20 minutes, as well as carefully measuring . If you overfill it, the oil will go places that aren't desirable.
This a major dealership in Toronto,,,,,I hope they would know what they are doing

I'll double check the stick....my CRD was purchased last Nov 06 and I think a May 06 build....
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This a major dealership in Toronto,,,,,I hope they would know what they are doing

I'll double check the stick....my CRD was purchased last Nov 06 and I think a May 06 build....

You have the older stick. Only way to tell for sure though, is to change your own oil and measure it. I even sprung for an elcheapo plastic measuring cup for a throw away. I don't trust anyone, but that's just me. I have had my stick left laying across the engine before. I double check things if I am able to make sure. My stick shows 1/4 inch below full when it is indeed full with 6.4 qts.
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You have the older stick. Only way to tell for sure though, is to change your own oil and measure it. I even sprung for an elcheapo plastic measuring cup for a throw away. I don't trust anyone, but that's just me. I have had my stick left laying across the engine before. I double check things if I am able to make sure. My stick shows 1/4 inch below full when it is indeed full with 6.4 qts.
BVCRD how do you know for sure I have the older stick?...from the dealers comments I mentioned?

Is there a recall on the stick if it is indeed not accurate?

How can I contact Jeep to get a straight answer without going through my dealer?
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BVCRD how do you know for sure I have the older stick?...from the dealers comments I mentioned?

Is there a recall on the stick if it is indeed not accurate?

How can I contact Jeep to get a straight answer without going through my dealer?

I am guessing based on your build date, but hey, maybe they made the correct ones first. That is why I put in the disclaimer for you to do it yourself at least once to know for sure. Any Jeep dealer should be able to look up a TSB for you and the stick. It isn't a recall by the way. I just made a new mark on mine where I new it was correct.
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Unread 02-15-2007, 03:03 PM   #9
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I am guessing based on your build date, but hey, maybe they made the correct ones first. That is why I put in the disclaimer for you to do it yourself at least once to know for sure. Any Jeep dealer should be able to look up a TSB for you and the stick. It isn't a recall by the way. I just made a new mark on mine where I new it was correct.
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This a major dealership in Toronto,,,,,I hope they would know what they are doing
If they really have put 8 litres in there they clearly don't know what they're doing. Go to another dealer and have them clarify.

It's a snap to change it yourself in 10-15 min. You don't need to raise the vehicle, heck you don't even need to go underneath as you can reach the drain and filter from the side.

You can get 8 litres of Esso XD-3 (0W40 synthetic) from WalMart plus a filter from Napa for around $60.

BTW I had the largest, 5 star, dealer in Ottawa tell me that the passenger airbag light should be on with no occupant in the seat despite me presenting them with a paragraph from the manual which states otherwise. I took it to another dealer and got the weight sensor recalibrated and it has functioned correctly since. The point of this? Big dealers don't always know ****!
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If they really have put 8 litres in there they clearly don't know what they're doing. Go to another dealer and have them clarify.

It's a snap to change it yourself in 10-15 min. You don't need to raise the vehicle, heck you don't even need to go underneath as you can reach the drain and filter from the side.

You can get 8 litres of Esso XD-3 (0W40 synthetic) from WalMart plus a filter from Napa for around $60.

BTW I had the largest, 5 star, dealer in Ottawa tell me that the passenger airbag light should be on with no occupant in the seat despite me presenting them with a paragraph from the manual which states otherwise. I took it to another dealer and got the weight sensor recalibrated and it has functioned correctly since. The point of this? Big dealers don't always know ****!

my thoughts exactly......thanks
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Unread 02-16-2007, 09:43 AM   #12
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my email just sent to Toronto Chrysler ...will let you know what I hear


Att Service Manager

I purchased an 06 Liberty CRD (Diesel) in Nov 06 from your dealership.

I was in for my first oil change last month and noticed on my bill that I got charged for 8 litres of Mobil 1 synthetic oil....so I called Vish in service who was kind enough to look into this for me and called me back ( I would like to add that Vish gives great service ). He advised that the tech said that when they fill the CRD's with the 6.1 litres as spec in the manual ( page 362) that it was not sufficient to fill the vehicle....understandable.

However I decided that if this was the case a bulletin from Jeep would have been sent out to amend this significant error in the owners manual....not to my knowledge has there been one?.

When I bough the CRD I decided to join a Jeep forum www.jeepforum.com on the internet in order to learn more about the ins and outs of owning a diesel ( my first) ...There are many knowledgable people on this site including some Chrysler techs.

Thinking about this further I decided to ask on the forum this very question and was responded to by several people who indicated that in fact some CRD's came with a dip stick that was not the correct length or marking and that in no uncertain terms that 6.1 litres ( 6.4 qts) was the correct amount of oil....and that adding excessive oil ( 2 litres is significant) could be dangerous for the engine.

I realize the CRD is not a common model and not sure how many you sell or service in Toronto ?....

I would appreciate if you could look into this issue with Chrysler/ Jeeps tech people and let me know your findings.

While my initial concern was being charged for too much oil ....my concern now really is over the correct amount of oil and the on going health of my engine.

Thanks in advance
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Hope they get back to you. The answer should be in their system.
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Unread 02-16-2007, 09:53 AM   #14
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I'll let you know....also wrote Shell and Sunoco on the fuel content issue in the other thread...
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I'll let you know....also wrote Shell and Sunoco on the fuel content issue in the other thread...

When I first came on here about a year ago, this topic was being discussed at length then. Hadn't seen it around for a while, but a refresh is always a good thing. I don't know if the search goes back that far or not.
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