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post #31 of 84 Old 06-03-2013, 10:22 PM Thread Starter
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I guess I was just looking for something more familiar or reputable, but I guess I'll have to expand the search for a shop tomorrow

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post #32 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 05:46 AM
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I've always had better luck using smaller Mom and Pop type places than the big box places.
When I first lifted mine back in 05 tried for 3 days to find someone to align it. Finally stopped by a small shop, not only did they align it and do a great job but they were a great group of guys with a lot of knowledge on everything from boats to 4WDs. So over the years they also did over twenty other alignments for people I installed lifts for, compressed all the springs etc. Has grown into a great friendship.

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post #33 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 11:58 AM Thread Starter
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I talked to a few other shops and I'm still getting quoted about 550.... And got a big speech about how I'm going to make this impossible to align... Will I be in the green or yellow if I align with a 2.25 BDS kit and a clevis and lift plate adding up to about 1.25 (3.5 total). Which parts could I pair up to get a little less lift? Lift plate and one rear iso? What would that yield and what are my other options...
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post #34 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 12:07 PM
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Could leave out the top plate there is 1/2 inch less lift( 1/4 inch top plate yields 1/2 inch lift)
with that out and one upper rear iso you'll still be level or close

But it comes down to most shops do not know whats involved in lifting a KJ and have never seen one done, so they are guessing , same with the alignment. It can be done and has been done 1000s of times

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post #35 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 03:25 PM Thread Starter
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After my day of going in to almost every shop I can most shops feel they can do it but don't think I should due to alignment or safety since the isolators are getting stacked. One shop suggested getting new rear springs, is that an option?
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post #36 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 03:38 PM
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JBA has 4 inch springs but would be too tall for what you are doing
Stacking iso's does not hurt a thing

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post #37 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 03:46 PM Thread Starter
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I was told to measure and try to match from any company I could find... Sounded odd. And the shops seemed to warm about if the rear axle was flexed the shock could move around or come out?

Finally, I know I'm going through CV joints faster with more lift, but would I be able to align and keep the camber perfect so I don't burn through tires?

Any shop recommendations?
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post #38 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 04:22 PM
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Burn things more CV's ??
How do you figure?
I've been lifted over 165,000 miles, ( 185,000 on the KJ) just replaced the left side for the first time about a 1000 miles ago, left side has been replaced once before due to intermediate shaft. Run mine over 4 inches of lift aligns fine with JBA UCAs, although I ran over 50,000 lifted miles with the stock ones

with bumpstops in the back no way for the springs to come out
Like I said before you can tell they know noting at all about lifting anything with IFS

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post #39 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 04:42 PM Thread Starter
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I guess they really don't know what they're saying about KJ's, and I'm just as clueless. I hadn't even thought about the bumpstops helping to keep the spring in place, and I'll take your word for it on the CV joints and getting it to align. I guess I'll suck it up and chip out the 500 to get this done and report back with the alignment specs and it'll hopefully be correct not just close enough at 3.75" and stock arms..
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post #40 of 84 Old 06-04-2013, 06:18 PM Thread Starter
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Minor update, I just had my last potential shop call me and tell me no one is comfortable putting that on for liability sake.... I guess I'm out of the running for this extra boost. Thanks for all the help everyone
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post #41 of 84 Old 06-10-2013, 09:58 AM
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Minor update, I just had my last potential shop call me and tell me no one is comfortable putting that on for liability sake.... I guess I'm out of the running for this extra boost. Thanks for all the help everyone
Why not just do it yourself? It's not that difficult and you get to know your jeep better. And it doesn't take complicated tools, just a ratchet some sockets an extension or two and a drill. You can rent spring compressors for like $40

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post #42 of 84 Old 06-10-2013, 10:12 AM
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Have you tried to find some local Jeepers to help you out maybe?

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post #43 of 84 Old 06-10-2013, 03:09 PM Thread Starter
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I did post in the Colorado section a while ago but unfortunately not a single person could help, no one even said anything. I wouldn't even mind paying a shop if I could find one that felt comfortable doing it. One shop thinks "2 inches on a fricken liberty is too much" :/
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post #44 of 84 Old 06-10-2013, 03:10 PM
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Show em some pictures of some of us at 4 inches and above

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post #45 of 84 Old 06-10-2013, 06:55 PM Thread Starter
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I talked to and revisisted a few more shops and got a long list of no's now. I also talked to my neighbor and they had two questions even though they can't help simply due to time and liability.
1) how do you do the axle drop in the rear in order to put in the iso's? They had to do it in their FJ cruiser and they weren't sure if it was similar.
2) what keeps the springs and stacked iso's from coming out in the rear? Do the stock bumpstops in the top and the new buttom bumpstops (or hockeypucks) keep the spring and isolators seated?
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