My car recently was in a hail storm and it may be totalled...therefore I have been doing a little car shopping and in my search i have found a 2005 Liberty with 98000 miles for an "asking price of $11,800" at a local dealer. I am going to test drive it tomorow. What are things to look for, listen for, ask about while I am there besides the usual used car questions? Is there any known problems with this particular model? What is fuel economy like on the diesel? How many miles is this vehicle good for? 200,000? 300,000? more!!?? Is this price reasonable? It is mainly gonna be a grocery getter with a very rare trail run here and there. No lift no big tires or anything like that is planned. I have been wanting a diesel vehicle for awhile now for several reasons I don't want to get into now. Here is the website I found it on.... 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Diesel 4x4 auto - 40+ PICTURES - CLEAN
That is a hefty price for a 100K mile CRD. JMPO Should be more like in the 9 to 10K range max. At a 100K there is an expensive service that needs to be done. Timing belt, water pump, tensioners, gaskets, ect. ect.... on that little diesel. If it has not already been done, it will be close to a grand to get the needed service taken care of - less if your mechanically inclined and willing to do it yourself.
These have been known to eat EGR's - not cheap either. If a CRD is purchased - you are way farther ahead to put a GDE tune on it, EGR is then taken care of + alot of other bennies from the tune itself.
Stock these get 22 to 25 on the highway. After a tune, many owners are 30+. Depending on how you drive of coarse. My 05 got 33 on the first full tank after a tune - highway driving.
This 2.8 VM diesel could go longer that the body will last, they run these in taxi's in England and hit a quarter million miles on them regularly. Be for warned though. Diesels are not for the uninvolved turn the key and go type owner/driver. There are always things to keep an eye on and do to them. If major service is needed - it will not be cheap. Most dealerships are 100% clueless on how to work on these VM motors - and will keep throwing parts at them (right or wrong) till He** freezes over. Just an FYI.
All said and done, I really like the 05 CRD's - less computer nannies telling you (read doing things you don't want) how to drive your ride - 06's have more computer controlled things. And - oh yeah they have the torque.
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Ditto to what BadBoy said.
Read the maintenance schedule to see if you are up to this challenge.
The price is WAY too high. The dealer would offer about 6.5k.
A good running CRD is a joy to behold outperforming anything in its class.
I would not say the price is "way" too high. I would try to get them down some, however, since like he said you will need to get some expensive service done to it at 100K. Otherwise, it looks very clean and everything under the hood is bone stock which is a nice thing to see. Looks like a well cared for CRD to me.
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i just got back from the test drive. It is a dog....that is until the turbo spools up and then it does ok...definately wouldn't win any races with it. It seemed to run smooth and shift smooth through all the gears. I shifted into 4lo and it seemed to work, didn't like how hard i had to fenagle(technical term) the shifter though. The check engine light was on and the salesmen said that it was going into the shop monday to get that fixed. It seemed to have just enough room for a child seat in the back and the cargo area would probably work fine for what it would be used for. The suspension seemed like it rode fine on the highway and I hit a few pot holes and it handled them fine. I did notice some sign of an oil leak near the driver front tire, i would guess an axle seal is leaking. I am definately not gonna buy it unless I can get it for about 10 grand and that is after they do the 100k service and fix the leaking seal and the check engine light.
Well, the CRD's are "dogs" compared to most gassers, if you are looking to bolt away from the light when it changes. Torque is the feature of any diesel. And since diesel has a higher BTU energy content that gasoline, any diesel will blow away the gassers on fuel mileage. My CRD, out of the box stock engine, has consistently gotten above 30 on highway trips and gets around 25-26 year round for all miles. But then, we don't do a lot of city driving, but we do live rural and the CRD has to deal with a lot of gravel roads and bad snow storms. Show me a Liberty gasser that even comes close. And at the same time, it can pull a fully loaded 300 gallon fuel wagon thru the field on our farm without a hickup.
I agree with others here that the diesel is not for those that just start and drive. It does require a higher level of attention and even a different mindset driving it to get the best out of it. Mine, to date, has around 75,000 miles on it and has NEVER had a single problem. Original EGR, brakes, etc and runs great. I did a few minor modifications immediately when I purchased it new that many other CRD owners have done, but still have not invested in the ECM tune (but seriously considering that one). Did cut off the Cat and put a dynomax flow thru exhaust on it. And, of course, gave it a little lift with the Frankenlift II kit and went with greasable upper and lower ball joints in the front.
Based on the one you test drove, I would really go thru it and have the dealer repair everything, or the deal is off. Don't just get the price knocked down to compensate. It gets fully repaired or the deal is off. Fixing problems with the CRD is not for the faint of heart. Even after they claim to fix things, as part of the test drive again, I would take it to a good mechanic in your area and have them really go over it. Sure, might cost you up to 50 bucks, but money well spent. If you got an oil leak near the front tire, would bet a CV is boot is shot. Just a note... the CV axles are NOT the same as on the 3.7 gasser models. You will have to shell out more for them on the CRD.
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mine has about 78K on it and it has more acceleration than the gas one my boss has. Well as far as I know because he drove mine to compare one day when his was in for new tires and now he wants a diesel Especially after I told him I get 20mpg towing a 2 horse trailer with a quarter horse in it and he couldn't get 20 mpg in his if he shut it off and coasted down hills.