[-BeNt-]

Fellas I'm a self proclaimed newbie when it comes to winching. I have a winch on the way to aid myself this year when out wheeling and thought it would be a good idea to get some help from people who know more about the correct way to winch out people. John Rich has a video on youtube that has been posted on this forum numerous times that has helped me in the past to strap up a vehicle for recovery.

While this is good is still doesn't really show me what I can do with a winch. So I went out on the prowl to find some suitable videos that where actually enlightening and taught me something. And I think I found them, if these have already been posted sorry, I couldn't find them.

These videos talk about the correct basic recovery kits to have, whats good and what's bad and what to look out for. Talks about hand signals and general winch safety and what to look out for. It also covers differences in electric, hydraulic, and industrial winches. And then they go on for several parts showing basic winching, 2 line winching(moving pulley), sideways winch, dual winch etc. It's put out by a group of guys called Badlands Off-road Adventures and I found them pretty informative and helpful, hopefully a few other Jeepers will appreciate these videos like I did.

So for all the other newbies out there, and for some of the old timers wanting to maybe brush up here they are!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTUnwpH_8RE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YscTH3JF68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vacvM0YPlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfztE0mNCTc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8gjwRjy3R8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKea2S-ZdwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp2qGgCLQ-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHSOUZLRw60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYwTghQYBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrpV2xqHG5w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUpD4Lrj_M0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mGhuAzY3QI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uPFbmwm8jA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Lxgja2xGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-41rLcrSaU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl-JSmpJ7No
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5mf6fztT5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8fyYlPV2R4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O9rXd-3Lj8

[RubiconRazorbac]

Now that's pretty cool. Thanks for posting those up. Subscribed & Crawled

[-BeNt-]

Thanks glad to see some reply's so soon. I figured I've asked enough questions here so it was time to give back a little!

[-BeNt-]

No need to be like that, I have a bachelors degree so I don't believe I'm a complete moron and yes I can do geometry, trig, calculus, even took some physics, doesn't mean I can safely operate a piece of potentially dangerous equipment without the proper knowledge and understanding of the risks. People need to know more about winching than which way to pull it. There have been numerous people that don't fully understand how they can get hurt using a winch and end up getting hurt, where to stand, where to watch for crush points(how many times have I helped re-spool a winch by holding the hook, now I know better and why not to do it) so if something goes south you don't get a leg or head knocked off.

There is far more people that don't know about winching than do. Some people I've seen on the trail with the "I know it all" attitudes are the ones that end up getting into more trouble than they can get out of, damage their ride, or hurt themselves or others.

So instead of jumping in here with the "you're a moron just pull it the right way" type response let the people who like a helping hand and want to understand the WHY and not just the how on winching technique learn.

Everyone understands that if you need your Jeep to come out of a mud hole or keep it from flipping, which way to pull it. It's common sense, what people like me, who don't have intimate understanding of recovery don't know is the differences between the types of winches,wire versus synthetic, speeds, pull ratings, can I use d-shackles with a winch safely you can't with a dynamic load when pulling with a strap, what is a double line pull, a moving pulley, why would I need a snatch block, is an 8500lb winch enough? I can go on and on. It's not as simple as which way to pull it. Safety, understanding HOW and WHEN to use what equipment. It's what keeps you healthy and riding.

Granted in some of the videos there is a lot of DUH! moments. There even was for me and I am a first time winch owner. But there was a lot of information that I thought was true that either got dispelled or approved of in this video. There was information about the basic recovery gear that helped me order what I needed that I had no clue what a did need besides people saying, "yeah you need 5 snatch blocks, 10 d-shackles, 30' snatch strap, 10' snatch strap, 15' tree saver, 10,500lb winch, 4 pairs of gloves, synthetic rope 100' long, 18' tow rope!" Do I really need all that? Some people think so, but I would like the know what I REALLY need to not spend $1500 up front when I can get along fine with $300 worth of stuff, and this video answered a LOT. Especially teaching more advanced 4:1-8:1 pulling incase I need to pull out a badly stuck MUCH bigger vehicle than what my winch can handle or how about how to use your front mounted winch to pull you backward! I had no clue. If you asked me how to pull your vehicle backwards with a forward mounted winch I would know where to begin but it would take me a bit to figure it out. But hey just pull the direction you want to go right? Not in that case it takes a bit more KNOWLEDGE to pull it off.

So please understand some people aren't quite as knowledgeable as you, remember once upon a time you didn't know either.

[TowMaster]

Originally Posted by jdhallissey

What is comes down to is are you a moron? Can you do geometry? Don't try pulling a vehicle to the side that the suspension is already loaded on pull if you can to the unloaded side so you put the weight of the vehicle back on the unloaded side.

Apparently I too am a complete moron, as I found those videos (while simplified down way too much for my taste) rather helpful. Unfortunately, the abundant help of "pull to the unloaded side if you can help it...derrr" does not give a proper diagram for an 8:1 recovery ratio. Clearly you're the kind of ******* that people come on here and scream about running into on the trails. As far as I'm concerned you don't deserve to drive something with the Jeep badge (of course I don't know that you even do, as you're incapable of filling out your vehicles profile). Go visit an FJ forum where that mentality belongs.

[Keithinnc]

Originally Posted by -BeNt-

Thanks glad to see some reply's so soon. I figured I've asked enough questions here so it was time to give back a little!

And give back you have my new found friend. I appreciate you posting these videos. I am also a new winch owner, I've read some manuals and got a little bit of info but nothing like what was covered here by you taking the time to post the videos. Just want to say thank you, and excellent response to the "know-it all".

[-BeNt-]

Glad you liked the video Keith! I thought they were nicely put together, albeit like TowMaster put it a bit simplified for my tastes. Needless though it answered some questions and concerns I had.

[Keithinnc]

Originally Posted by -BeNt-

Glad you liked the video Keith! I thought they were nicely put together, albeit like TowMaster put it a bit simplified for my tastes. Needless though it answered some questions and concerns I had.

agreed, and that is what lead me to check out his website and after looking around I see why his videos are like that. Based on the info on his site you could take someone who never even stepped off a sidewalk before and by the time you take his classes your about ready for anything to be thrown at you.

[iawia]

Thanks for posting the videos. I particularly noted the comment in one of the videos not to let your jeep roll away after getting it unstuck.

YouTube - niceone: Pickup truck salvage

[bigguy12321]

I always figured more knowledge was a good thing. If I already know it then I leave it for someone who doesn't. The internet is full of repeat info but not everyone searches the same way.Thanks for posting.

Rock on.

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[ClimbStuff]

I try my best to get stuck only in places that have trees directly in front of me.

[-BeNt-]

Well glad some people are finding it useful. Yeah generally around here in the wood, hills, and mountains of Alabama you are never more than 20 ft from a tree generally. Unless you are doing stream or field crossings. But end then there are normally rocks or something to that effect to anchor too. Can't wait till next weekend going to put the wife through a winch lesson

[Unlimited04]

reposted here:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f27/off-road-tips-techniques-808434/

[Peterpsc]

I'm a veteran off roader and in the early days, mostly from lack of knowledge and misplaced machismo, I used the winch improperly and thankfully no one was ever hurt. While I'm now anal about safety, including winching, posting those videos is very welcomed even from a seasoned guy like me. Thanks.

[plumber1]

Hey thanks for the post. I have had my winch for years, and it's nice to get a quick refresher