Winch ibs versus weight

xkmakx · 03-19-2009, 01:46 PM

So in the market to buy a winch for this badboy.. But idk how much it weighs i know you times the jeep weight by 1.5 but what the hells the weight anybody know ?? its a 04 tj x model with 33's and a 4inch bds lift anyone know the ballpark esitmete weight of the Tjs? and if so what winch would yuou recommend and staying under $500 if possible

ONEMORE2 · 03-19-2009, 01:55 PM

Under $500 I would say ,milemarker 8000lb.

boardsurfer · 03-19-2009, 02:06 PM

This is arguably the best bang for the buck right now if you can extend your budget a few more dollars. (by the way, I don't think you will find that for a better price anywhere else.)

Also this is a great write up that compares most winches on the market.

**RikRotorhead** · 03-19-2009, 02:57 PM

Smittybuilt XRC-8. Good winch, not as expensive as others, great warranty (lifetime available), and dependable.
Comes with the fairlead and 100 ft cable.

XRC-8 at 4wheelparts for $299 LINKY THINGY

BYuen · 03-19-2009, 04:14 PM

Usually modded TJs with armor, lifts, tires, etc will get up to around 4,000 lbs more or less. An 8k winch will suffice, but It wouldn't hurt to go with a 9k or 9.5k winch.

xkmakx · 03-19-2009, 04:16 PM

yea i most likly want a winch thats more then 8 K

**RikRotorhead** · 03-19-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BYuen

Usually modded TJs with armor, lifts, tires, etc will get up to around 4,000 lbs more or less. An 8k winch will suffice, but It wouldn't hurt to go with a 9k or 9.5k winch.

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Originally Posted by xkmakx

yea i most likly want a winch thats more then 8 K

You can gain a ton for a hundred bucks more......

4wheelparts XRC-10 for $399 LINKY THINGY

10K is enough to rip your frame apart. Tow hooks and D-rings are only rated to 10K. Be careful with that much power. An 8K should get you out of just about anything. Trick is to have a winch and never need it.

xkmakx · 03-20-2009, 07:28 AM

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xkmakx · 03-20-2009, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RikRotorhead

You can gain a ton for a hundred bucks more......

4wheelparts XRC-10 for $399 LINKY THINGY

10K is enough to rip your frame apart. Tow hooks and D-rings are only rated to 10K. Be careful with that much power. An 8K should get you out of just about anything. Trick is to have a winch and never need it.

alright bro thanks thats all i really needed to know so stay away from the 10k too much and the 8 k is just over what i need and would be perfect thanks im ready to buy now

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**RikRotorhead** · 03-20-2009, 10:30 AM

Study up on how to use a winch, and the safety stuff especially. People get hurt from just being in the vicinity.
A snatch block will increase your leverage tremendously if you need more pulling power. Get a tree wrap strap, not a tug'em strap. Tug'em straps stretch and you do not want that.
Heavy gloves and a couple extra high quality d-rings are important. Throw all the recovery stuff in a canvas bag you can get from Harbor Frieght etc...
Strap it down somewhere in the Jeep where you can get to it without having to open the back tailgate, 'cuz you may not be able to. Under the front seat is a good spot.
NOBODY stands between the anchor point and the winch. If that cable lets go, it could kill or injure someone. Keep everybody, including yourself out of range of that cable. Be aware if you are in the driver seat working the winch and motor, and it comes loose from the anchor point, it could come at you through the windshield. A towel or "winch saver" in the middle of the cable can be a good safety feature too.
Keep your fingers away from the fairlead when spooling it back in. Eight thousand pounds will definately remove any body part you happen to get caught in there.
Make sure you mount it with GRADE 8 bolts only. Nothing less. I think the XRC8 comes with them, can't remember. Lowes or any other hardware store carries them. Cheap insurance.

Hope that helps.

xkmakx · 03-24-2009, 07:24 AM

YEa thanks for the tips diffntly will look into everything you talked about so nothing stupid happens

Amadeus3 · 03-24-2009, 09:50 AM

A snatch block is great but it also reduces your line speed by half and your reach by half. By that I mean if you have 100ft of cable if you need to use a snatch block you will only be able to secure it to a point less than 50ft away. I went for the Smittybilt XRC10 which is the 10,000 lb model and I couldn't be happier, its nice having that extra 2,000lbs of insurance. As for ripping your frame apart I'm sure its possible but I doubt its a legitimate concern. As long as your bumper and the winch are secure properly with the proper frame tie ins and grade 8 hardware I think the risk of ripping your frame is really not an issue. Plus if you use a snatch block with an 8,000lb winch you have a max pulling power of 16,000lbs. So wouldn't you actually be safer having the 10,000lb winch rather than potentially exerting 16,000lbs of force on your jeep.

I would be shocked if you could produce evidence of a 10,000lb winch which was properly secured to the vehicle and not shock loaded that ripped a frame apart.

**RikRotorhead** · 03-24-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Amadeus3

A snatch block is great but it also reduces your line speed by half and your reach by half. By that I mean if you have 100ft of cable if you need to use a snatch block you will only be able to secure it to a point less than 50ft away. I went for the Smittybilt XRC10 which is the 10,000 lb model and I couldn't be happier, its nice having that extra 2,000lbs of insurance. As for ripping your frame apart I'm sure its possible but I doubt its a legitimate concern. As long as your bumper and the winch are secure properly with the proper frame tie ins and grade 8 hardware I think the risk of ripping your frame is really not an issue. Plus if you use a snatch block with an 8,000lb winch you have a max pulling power of 16,000lbs. So wouldn't you actually be safer having the 10,000lb winch rather than potentially exerting 16,000lbs of force on your jeep.

I would be shocked if you could produce evidence of a 10,000lb winch which was properly secured to the vehicle and not shock loaded that ripped a frame apart.

I think you missed my point....
And someone with a 10K winch still uses a snatch block on occasion. That's 20K lbs on four bolts holding your winch plate to the frame, and four smaller bolts holding the winch to the plate. A lot of power there. Probably will never be a problem, but it does have the potential. JMO
I said "it's enough to rip your frame", I didn't say it would. If used improperly it could. Tow hooks are only rated for 10K lbs. D-rings too.
A snatch block does slow your speed, but who cares if it gets you un-stuck.
The cable and hook are rated pretty low too. But ratings are usually de-rated by 3 to 4 times their actual strength for safety reasons. Example; A compressed air tank rated at 3000 lbs will actually not burst (unless defective) until 10 to 12K lbs.
So the tow hooks and d-rings are probably de-rated as well. But why take the chance? Just be aware of the potential danger.
The 10K winch is nice, just more expensive and not needed for my application. If I can't get out with 8K and a snatch block, plus the engine power, I'll have somebody else in the group assist my 8K with their winch.