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Unread 03-19-2002, 05:00 PM   #1
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What size winch is best??

I was going to go with a mile marker (cause they can pull for days without stopping) but I don't want to mess with my power steering. I've read you need a high output pump which can blow out your seals.


So now I need a GOOD elec. unit that can get me out of anything. If I'm up to my doors handles in mud I want something that can still pull me (or one of my friends in that position) out.

And what would the winch need for a job like that? Dual batteries, high output alter., etc.

Would you go with a 8,000, 9,000, 9,500, or one of the big boys 12,000, 15,000.

Thanks in advance.

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Unread 03-19-2002, 06:01 PM   #2
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I would advise getting a 8000-9500. Both of these may be over kill but you know it will get the job done. A well equiped Jeep weighs a little less than 4000lbs. formula is curb weight X 1.5 = rating of 6000. Either dual batteries or a high amp alt. will be nice. If you want to feel secure get both.
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Unread 03-19-2002, 07:40 PM   #3
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I would advise getting a 8000-9500. Both of these may be over kill but you know it will get the job done. A well equiped Jeep weighs a little less than 4000lbs. formula is curb weight X 1.5 = rating of 6000. Either dual batteries or a high amp alt. will be nice. If you want to feel secure get both.
You wouldn't get a 12,000 or 15,000?? The weight in my door says 4,300 pounds, is this correct? 1994 YJ 4.0.

I'm new to using a winch (as you can tell), I just want to make sure I'd have enough to get out of ANYTHING.

If I could get a good deal on a used 12,000 or 15,000 would it be stupid to put it on a YJ?
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Unread 03-19-2002, 09:35 PM   #4
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Originally posted by Dan's YJ:
The weight in my door says 4,300 pounds, is this correct?
The weight stamped in your door is the GVWR or Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. This is *not* what your Jeep weighs, but yet the weight of your Jeep plus all the cargo/passengers its rated to carry. You should find the actual weight of your Jeep to be less than yoru GVWR, unless you drive around fully loaded every day.

I second a 8000-9000lbs winch. Thats more than plenty for a Jeep and any situation you'd get yourself into. The 12000-15000s are more for the fullsize heavier guys... but if you don't care about money, go for it... a little extra pulling power can never hurt.

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Unread 03-19-2002, 09:43 PM   #5
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A good 6000 or 8000lb will be more than enough for 99% of your winching needs. If you need more, than use a snatch block which will double your pulling power.The smaller winches are quite a bit less expensive and are easier to deal with on a reciever mount(use the mount to pull from the front or rear).They also use less power.For short pulls your stock battery and alternator are fine, if you think you are going for longer pulls, then a dual battery set up is the way to go. Be sure to get a snatch block and strap so you can winch from a tree without taking all the bark off and killing it. Remember, a winch cable under load can take your head off.Always winch with the hood up and stand clear of the cable.Warn and Ramsey both have excellent reputations and parts are easy to come by.PS be sure to install tow hooks!Good luck.
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Unread 03-19-2002, 09:59 PM   #6
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The weight stamped in your door is the GVWR or Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. This is *not* what your Jeep weighs, but yet the weight of your Jeep plus all the cargo/passengers its rated to carry. You should find the actual weight of your Jeep to be less than yoru GVWR, unless you drive around fully loaded every day.

I second a 8000-9000lbs winch. Thats more than plenty for a Jeep and any situation you'd get yourself into. The 12000-15000s are more for the fullsize heavier guys... but if you don't care about money, go for it... a little extra pulling power can never hurt.

-Rob
Okay, so that's not the actual weight. Got it.

Okay, you guys are starting to sway me towards a 8,000-9,500lbs. winch.
I just wanted to make sure it would be enough cause I'm ALWAYS playing in the mud, it's all we have close by.

What's the diff. between the HS9500 & X9000i (besides the 500lbs.)?

And that's for your help guys.
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Unread 03-20-2002, 05:18 AM   #7
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Also remember "A winch is only as strong as it's weakest part or link" The frames of our jeeps will not hold anything over 10K weight or pull. Have a good mount and tow hooks for doubleing your line. I think you have a lot of research to do before you attemt to use your winch. A broken line under a full load can send fragments flying with the momentum of a high power rifle.
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Unread 03-20-2002, 08:07 AM   #8
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The problem with the receiver mount winches is that you can't do a side pull. If money is no object and you want the best 8,000# winch, get the Warn 8274.
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Unread 03-20-2002, 09:45 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Bill:
Go with a smaller 8-9.5K winch on a reciever mount, especially for mudding.

Comparison between the HS9500 and the XD9000i (minus known rated line pull):
(per http://www.gowarn.com/winches.htm )

Same motor, geartrain, gear ratio, clutch, brake, fairlead, etc.

Weight:
HS9500 - 80 lb
XD9000i - 85 lb

Wire Rope:
HS9500 - 100' of 5/16"
XD9000i - 125' of 5/16"

Winch dimensions:
HS9500 - 23.2" L. x 6.3" D. x 7.6" H.
XD9000i - 21.8" L. x 6.3" D. x 9.94" H.

HS9500 (line pull, line speed, motor current):
0 lb - 62.0 ft/s - 67 amps
2000 lb - 16.3 ft/s - 160 amps
4000 lb - 11.8 ft/s - 230 amps
6000 lb - 9.31 ft/s - 305 amps
8000 lb - 7.59 ft/s - 370 amps
9500 lb - 6.67 ft/s - 425 amps

XD9000i (line pull, line speed, motor current):
0 lb - 38.0 ft/s - 70 amps
2000 lb - 14.4 ft/s - 180 amps
4000 lb - 11.0 ft/s - 255 amps
6000 lb - 8.67 ft/s - 330 amps
8000 lb - 6.88 ft/s - 415 amps
9000 lb - 6.38 ft/s - 460 amps

Pull by layer:
HS9500:
1 - 9500 lb
2 - 8650 lb
3 - 7920 lb
4 - 7400 lb

XD9000i:
1 - 9000 lb
2 - 8190 lb
3 - 7500 lb
4 - 7010 lb
5 - 6570 lb

HTH

Well then I think I'll be getting the HS9500.
Thanks again for your help.
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Unread 03-20-2002, 09:48 AM   #10
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Originally posted by Patton:
Also remember "A winch is only as strong as it's weakest part or link" The frames of our jeeps will not hold anything over 10K weight or pull. Have a good mount and tow hooks for doubleing your line. I think you have a lot of research to do before you attemt to use your winch. A broken line under a full load can send fragments flying with the momentum of a high power rifle.
Really, I didn't think the frame was that weak.

Yep, I'm new to using a winch. So I figured I better speak up with my questions.

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Unread 03-21-2002, 07:24 AM   #11
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Originally posted by Mr. Bill:
Go with a smaller 8-9.5K winch on a reciever mount, especially for mudding.
Just make sure you have that thing mounted up before you hit the puddles! It wouldn't be much fun to get out and hook up that 100lbs+ cradle in the middle of some waist deep thick gumbo mud

Also, other things to add, when mounted, a winch cradle will dramatically eat into your approach/departure angle (ie, when you're leaving or entering a deep pit). Whereas a fixed mount winch will sit ontop of your frame rails and not effect your approach angle.

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Unread 03-21-2002, 11:21 AM   #12
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Originally posted by RodeoRob:
Just make sure you have that thing mounted up before you hit the puddles! It wouldn't be much fun to get out and hook up that 100lbs+ cradle in the middle of some waist deep thick gumbo mud

Also, other things to add, when mounted, a winch cradle will dramatically eat into your approach/departure angle (ie, when you're leaving or entering a deep pit). Whereas a fixed mount winch will sit ontop of your frame rails and not effect your approach angle.

-Rob
Thanks for all your help guys.

I'm gonna go with a HS9500i. It sounds like that would get me out of anything.
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Unread 03-22-2002, 12:59 PM   #13
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I think you've made a wise choice. I recently installed an HS9500i on my 92, went out and tested it. It's not only fast, but powerful to boot. Remember, you may not be pulling yourself out, but one of those full-size Fords or Chevys that tend to get stuck way before a Jeep.
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Unread 03-26-2002, 06:00 PM   #14
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I've got a Warn 8000 up front and a removalable Warn 6000 on a receiver mount. Just FYI, have you ever tried to carry a receiver mount winch? Those SOB's aren't light! If you go with a bigger winch, you'd better have Bubba around when you go to move it!
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Unread 03-31-2002, 01:27 AM   #15
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here is some food for thought,an 8,000 lb winch can be nearly doubled by a snatch block.that would give you the same pulling power as a warn 15,000 lb. winch.it would also cut your amperage draw nearly in half.the only down side to this is it cut's your line speed in half.
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