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Unread 01-27-2012, 01:55 PM   #1
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What size electric winch do i need?

I'm looking into purchasing an electric recovery winch for my 2004 wrangler SE 2.4L and I need some advice on what size winch I need. I obviously know the bigger the better but what's the minimum pulling weigh I'd need to get me out of the occasional preverbal pickle?

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Unread 01-27-2012, 01:56 PM   #2
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8000 is the smallest id go, but it would do the job, and then some
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Unread 01-27-2012, 02:00 PM   #3
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I was afraid you'd say that. For a winch that size do any manufacturers come to mind that would be more on the discount end?
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Unread 01-27-2012, 02:53 PM   #4
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The new warn beginner series ones are pretty cheap
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Unread 01-27-2012, 03:20 PM   #5
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The WARN formula for determining winch size is this:

1.5 x Gross Vehicle Weight Rating = minimum capacity

And do check out our new Entry Level Series, aka the VR lineup:
http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/en..._winches.shtml

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Unread 01-27-2012, 03:26 PM   #6
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Ok cool thanks guys. I really appreciate the input!! Oh and Andy I like the sound of that formula, that makes everything a lot more straight forward....or maybe I just like it cause I'm in accounting haha
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8k-10k winch from the "big boys" (Warn, Superwinch, Ramsey) will prolly do fine. You might look at craigslist for a used one, but buyer beware. Otherwise, plan for a mount, straps, shackles, and a possible charging upgrade if you use the winch alot.
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Unread 01-27-2012, 08:25 PM   #8
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^ noted, I was thinking about trying to find a used one on here(Craigslist seems a bit risky to me for this type of thing), JF but they go so fast in the classifieds. It's like you really have to jump on one as soon as its posted cause if you wait a day it's gone.
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i have an 8000 rep Ramsey on my 1984 CJ-7, great winch,
make sure you get a winch that has the proper winch mounting plate and proper attachment to frame hardware.

Mounting plate to frame:

an 8000# winch can bend the frame of the Jeep, if not properly mounted.

I have enjoyed using my winch over the years: pulling over trees or old building etc:

just be careful as a winch can be a dangerous tool, its not a toy when under full pressure.
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Agreed on the tool not toy comment. Steel cables and come alongs under pressure make me very nervous lol
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Unread 02-15-2012, 12:24 PM   #11
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The WARN formula for determining winch size is this:

1.5 x Gross Vehicle Weight Rating = minimum capacity
Andy, Warn's 1.5x recommendation is fine for all-around winching which includes street use like if it's stuck in sand, snow drift, etc. But for offroad winching when you're likely to be far more seriously stuck, 2x is a more useful and realistic recommendation.

That is why the usual minimum capacity recommendation for a winch is 8,000 lbs. for Jeeps that seldom weigh more than 4,000 lbs. If 1.5x worked for offroading, you'd see 6,000 lbs. as the minimum size recommended... and you won't find 6,000 lb. capacity winch recommendations for offroading with a Jeep.
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You want a fair medium between pulling power and amp draw. If you go too big, you'll be pulling more amps and have less winch time available before you have to give your battery time to recharge. A smaller winch with a snatch block is the way to go if you don't want to upgrade your battery and alternator to match a larger model.

8K is typically that happy medium for a SWB Jeep.

I've actually seen a 6k winch on a Samurai pull a 3/4 ton truck on 38" boggers up a hill. Single-line pull.
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Andy, Warn's 1.5x recommendation is fine for all-around winching which includes street use like if it's stuck in sand, snow drift, etc. But for offroad winching when you're likely to be far more seriously stuck, 2x is a more useful and realistic recommendation.

That is why the usual minimum capacity recommendation for a winch is 8,000 lbs. for Jeeps that seldom weigh more than 4,000 lbs. If 1.5x worked for offroading, you'd see 6,000 lbs. as the minimum size recommended... and you won't find 6,000 lb. capacity winch recommendations for offroading with a Jeep.
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... If you go too big, you'll be pulling more amps and have less winch time available before you have to give your battery time to recharge. A smaller winch with a snatch block is the way to go if you don't want to upgrade your battery and alternator to match a larger model.
While it may seem logical that a larger winch would draw more amps at the same load, you actually have that amperage draw comment backwards which is a somewhat common misconception.

When pulling the same load, a larger winch requires fewer amperes than a smaller winch does. That makes sense if you think about it since a smaller winch has to work harder than a larger winch does to pull the same load.

For example, let's examine what happens to the amperes required when winching the same 6,000 lb. load by a Warn 6,000 lb., 8,000 lb., 9,000 lb. and 12,000 lb. capacity winch.

The below winches are listed are in order of increasing ampere loads when pulling the same 6,000 lb. load...

The M12000 draws 250 amperes when pulling 6,000 lbs. http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M1200.shtml

The XD9000 draws 330 amperes when pulling 6,000 lbs. http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/XD9000i.shtml

The M8000 draws 350 amperes when pulling 6,000 lbs. http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M8000.shtml

The M6000 draws a whopping 465 amperes when pulling 6,000 lbs. http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M6000.shtml

The smaller the winch, the more power it requires from the electrical system to pull the same load as a larger winch.
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I would also consider the line speed depending on what you are doing. My jeep still runs factory gears so I needed a winch that was fast enough to keep up. The cheaper discount winches typically pull very slow and you'll end up have to wait for them to keep up with your gas pedal! Just something to consider depending on what you are wheeling.
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