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Unread 02-08-2008, 03:42 PM   #1
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What to look for in a fire extinguisher

I am looking to get a fire extinguisher for my jeep, but dont want to break the bank. I saw a two pack of extinguishers in costco for $20 that were a decent type, I am just wondering if they are good for the types of fires I would need to handle in the jeep.

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Unread 02-08-2008, 04:00 PM   #2
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I have a 5lb Halon for no-mess use (hopefully will never need it!).
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Avoid those little 2lb. extinguishers like you see displayed by the newbies on their rollbars, they're not big enough for anything serious. I always recommend 5 lb. ABC extinguishers that are good for both engine and grass or brush fires. Here's where I have my 5 lb. mounted which is perfectly located... handy enough like if I'm upside down in a burning Jeep, but out of the way and not at head-level that could kill me in an accident.
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Unread 02-08-2008, 06:58 PM   #4
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I have a Hal-Guard Halon fire Extinguisher. Look into the Halon for it does not leave any residue and excellent for electrical components.

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I carry a 5# BC, as this article http://www.earlycj5.com/tech/general...tinguisher.php recommends. I think it makes sense to have another rated at ABC for brush. I wish I could get an explanation why the fellow who wrote the article only recommends a BC. The BC I have now is mounted to the rollbar, secured in a quick realease, yet redundant manner. I think I'm gonna steal Jerry's mounting location for an ABC. Even though I drive an older 5, I think I can make something fit under the seat. Brush fire is major bad news here, be on the wrong end of a box canyon when one starts, you're probably gonna die in the summer. Any fire experts, please chime in about what the reasoning is to recommend a BC unit over an ABC. I can't figure that one out. Like Jerry, I would think you want one that does it all....
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I think the author is more concerned with a liquid fuel fire of the vehicle itself, and isn't considering environmental issues. An ABC would be a better option. Gas only extinguishers are pretty limited use a real world environment and you should carry a dry extinguisher as well. It would work for an electrical fire in the dash where the gas could be contained, assuming you can immediately cut current to whatever shorted in the first place. Other than that, it's not going to work. Figure you have an underhood fire with a gas leak, if you manage to displace enough oxygen to kill the flame, as soon as you run out of halon he whole thing will flare up again.
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Yep, Halon is not a good agent for a Jeep unless you know (which you cannot) you will only have electrical fires and never any gasoline or brush fires where you're wheeling. Good for a computer room but certainly not as a general purpose fire extinguisher for a Jeep.
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Yep, Halon is not a good agent for a Jeep unless you know (which you cannot) you will only have electrical fires and never any gasoline or brush fires where you're wheeling. Good for a computer room but certainly not as a general purpose fire extinguisher for a Jeep.
Not arguing, Jerry, but my Halon says it's rated for ABC, although Wiki says only Halons over 5lbs. are so rated:

Halon (including Halon 1211 and Halon 1301), a gaseous agent that inhibits the chemical reaction of the fire. Classes B:C for lower weight fire extinguishers (2.3 kg ; 5 lbs or less) and A:B:C for heavier weights (4.1-7.7 kg ; 9-17 lbs). Banned from new production, except for military use, as of January 1, 1994 as its properties contribute to ozone depletion and long atmospheric lifetime, usually 400 years. Halon was completely banned in Europe resulting in stockpiles being sent to the United States for reuse. Although production has been banned, the reuse is still permitted. Halon 1301 and 1211 are being replaced with new halons which have no ozone depletion properties and low atmospheric lifetimes, but are less effective.

So, I don't know. I do like the idea of not having residue to clean up, but if it isn't going to be effective on all fires....
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I keep a 5lb CO2 in the back and a 3lb ABC on the rollbar, the CO2 is for putting out people(people have a habit of lighting there pants on fire when I'm around) and the ABC is for grass/gas.
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those of you with halon make sure if you ever have to use it that you are not in a closed in area. if you have a dash fire do not use it until you open all the doors. halon can and will kill you.
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I went with the Halon extinguisher with the mindset that an electrical fire would be better suited for a mall crawler such as myself. I personally feel that my chances of an gas, oil, etc. fire would be limited to say an accident or possibly an F-up on my part. Now I'm not saying anything like this will never happen, there is always a possibility. I just feel my chances of anything catching fire would come from something electrical. However, Halon is also an excellent ABC extinguisher. One think that you guys brought up that never crossed my mind was other things around you catching fire(brush, trash, etc.) I guess I was more concerned about my Jeep at the time. Thanks for bringing that up.

Halon (ABC) - Halon extinguishers normally contain bromochlorodifluoromethane, a very heavy gas (much heavier than CO2). This not only displaces oxygen from around the fire but chemically reacts in a way that shuts down combustion. (It decomposes into chlorine and bromine radicals, which scavenge hydrogen radicals essential for keeping combustion going.) Halon extinguishers, like CO2 extinguishers, are especially suitable for Type C fires and delicate equipment, but because they chemically shut down combustion they are also good for Type A fires. They are being phased out because of the damage chlorofluorocarbons do to the ozone layer.
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Halon is a oxygen displacer which means if there is heat or firesource the fire will come back, or if somone else is in the jeep your going to sufficate them. pluse depending on the age it is a hazzardous material in most states.
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ABC dry chem!
using a CO2 or any other gas agent is great for a controlled fire with no influence of wind, but I have never been on a ride that we did not have some kind of a breeze or wind.

And just remember, if your jeeps does ketch on fire the last thing on your mind is going to be not to destroy the CD player with dry chem, but to just get the fire out so it does not do any more damage that it already has.
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Perhaps some of you folks who understand more about extinguishers than I do can explain a problem I seem to have to me. I've bought (or been given) several of the small and inexpensive extinguishers and each of them has died after a few months life in the Jeep. I don't get it. They are strapped to the roll bar with a strong strap and over-center style buckle and don't really get any hard bumps or other abuse. Now to be honest, I don't know that all of them have been dead, but the needles read fine when I put them in and then a little later, they read empty. I've also been present at two small fires and each time found the extinguisher useless. The only thing I can think of is that these aren't vehicle specific models, and so perhaps the temperature swings are causing them to loose pressure over time, but I really don't know if that's the case. I'd appreciate any advice, opinion, info etc. folks could provide. What use is it to have an extinguisher if you can't count on it to work when you need it?

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If it a dry chem type you need to smack the bottom of them on the ground before you use them. The powder will cake up on whatever side it is laying on and all you will do is drain the propellant out of the tank.
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