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Unread 11-16-2005, 12:25 PM   #1
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tree saver

with an 8,000lb winch how stong of a tree saver should i get? I found one that is rated at 8,000lbs but does it need to be double or anything like that?

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Unread 11-16-2005, 12:45 PM   #2
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with an 8,000lb winch how stong of a tree saver should i get? I found one that is rated at 8,000lbs but does it need to be double or anything like that?
In theroy you should be ok, but I always like to have a little safety margin I would get one a little stronger, as with everything overtime the strength will weaken and that might be when you need it most
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Unread 11-16-2005, 03:48 PM   #3
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i would not trust a 8000lb tree saver... go w/ a 15000 or 20000 to be safe...
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Unread 11-16-2005, 06:33 PM   #4
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I run a 3" 30,000 lb. 10ft long tree saver. I would think you'd want to make sure you have a very sturdy anchor point. I was debating the 6 ft vs. 10 ft length and decided on the 10 footer because we have some big-*** trees up here in the NW. And some times the 10 ft length still isn't long enough, but thats only for the biggest of the big trees. The rest of the time it works great.

FYI, the 10 ft tree saver ran about the same price as my 2" x 30 ft 20,000 recovery strap. I can't remember the maker but the ones I bought came with an elastic loop sewn in so that after everything is wrapped up for storage you just slip the elastic loop around everything to keep it from unravelling.
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Unread 11-16-2005, 09:35 PM   #5
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This is some good info, thanks guys, and thanks for asking the question as I never thought about this and I will be picking up the related recovery gear for my winch shortly.

John.

Now what is your input on a snatch block? And do I need a choker chain?
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Unread 11-16-2005, 10:17 PM   #6
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last time i was with a group that used a chain, this happened:

after that, i've done my best to stay away from the use of chains. the warn choker chain is very similar to one sold at home depot. the one at home depot comes in a little white plastic bucket, and costs like half of what the warn chain costs. looks the same.
id say if you're going to use a chain, get the biggest @ss chain you can find, just for a little extra reassurance.
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Unread 11-17-2005, 03:06 AM   #7
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My understanding of choker chains is to attach your Jeep to an immovable object (such as a tree) so that you won't be pulled forward if you're trying to help winch someone else out. They shouldn't be used as a "recovery strap" to yank someone else out. Also, there is different quality and stregth of chain that you can get in the same size. I have no idea what type of chain Warn sells but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a higher grade than the local Home Depot variety.

The snatch blocks are awesome. I've used mine about 70 - 75% of the time I've used my winch. Mostly it was to re-direct the winch line to a better vector. Here are examples of how I used my Warn snatch block:

Scenario 1
I was the lead rig on one outting that turned into a snow run. The guy two Jeeps behind me was having problems getting up a hill and didn't have a winch on his rig. No problem: I hooked the tree saver around a tree off to my right, connected the loops with a d-shackle that also secure the snatch block and ran the winch cable 170 deg behind me to pull the guy up the hill.

Scenario 2
Another time I was following a guy in front of me without a winch. He was having difficult making it up a particular obstacle. No problem.... run the winch line to a tree 20 ft in front of him where we anchored a snatch block to a tree with the tree strap and redirected the line back to the front of the guy's Jeep. Pulled him right up.

Scenario 3
When I was stupid and out wheel'n alone I was driving over some washed boulders and shattered my t-case in the middle of the trail. Couldn't back up because some bolders were piled up directly behind me. No problem (sort of): I hooked up the tree strap and snatch block directly behind me, ran the winch cable under the Jeep, out between the rear tires, through the snatch block and directed the line straight back to the rear of my Jeep (360 deg?). There I wrapped my 30 ft tow-strap around the boulders and dragged them backwards with the winch cable. Then I repositioned the snatch block and tree strap 90 deg to my left and dragged the boulders sideways out of my way. Then ran the winch cable back under my Jeep to a tree 100 ft down the trail directly behind me and hooked it to the tree strap. Pulled the Jeep down out of the rocks to a side spot where I could park it and go for help. (I no longer go wheel'n alone)

I assembled my own "accessory kit" and keep it in the Jeep with me. Everything is kept in a $10 tote bag from Target that I can just grab and go if I need my accessory equipment. The "kit" consists of:
  • 30 ft x 2" 20,000 lb. recovery strap with loop ends (no hooks)
  • 10ft x 3" 30,000 lb. tree strap
  • Warn's snatch block (others work well, too)
  • 2 D-shackles
  • $5 pair of sturdy leather work gloves (for handling the cable and stuff)
  • $10 tote bag w/ handles I keep everything in from Target
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Unread 11-17-2005, 03:43 AM   #8
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My understanding of choker chains is to attach your Jeep to an immovable object (such as a tree) so that you won't be pulled forward if you're trying to help winch someone else out. They shouldn't be used as a "recovery strap" to yank someone else out. Also, there is different quality and stregth of chain that you can get in the same size. I have no idea what type of chain Warn sells but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a higher grade than the local Home Depot variety.

The snatch blocks are awesome. I've used mine about 70 - 75% of the time I've used my winch. Mostly it was to re-direct the winch line to a better vector. Here are examples of how I used my Warn snatch block:

Scenario 1
I was the lead rig on one outting that turned into a snow run. The guy two Jeeps behind me was having problems getting up a hill and didn't have a winch on his rig. No problem: I hooked the tree saver around a tree off to my right, connected the loops with a d-shackle that also secure the snatch block and ran the winch cable 170 deg behind me to pull the guy up the hill.

Scenario 2
Another time I was following a guy in front of me without a winch. He was having difficult making it up a particular obstacle. No problem.... run the winch line to a tree 20 ft in front of him where we anchored a snatch block to a tree with the tree strap and redirected the line back to the front of the guy's Jeep. Pulled him right up.

Scenario 3
When I was stupid and out wheel'n alone I was driving over some washed boulders and shattered my t-case in the middle of the trail. Couldn't back up because some bolders were piled up directly behind me. No problem (sort of): I hooked up the tree strap and snatch block directly behind me, ran the winch cable under the Jeep, out between the rear tires, through the snatch block and directed the line straight back to the rear of my Jeep (360 deg?). There I wrapped my 30 ft tow-strap around the boulders and dragged them backwards with the winch cable. Then I repositioned the snatch block and tree strap 90 deg to my left and dragged the boulders sideways out of my way. Then ran the winch cable back under my Jeep to a tree 100 ft down the trail directly behind me and hooked it to the tree strap. Pulled the Jeep down out of the rocks to a side spot where I could park it and go for help. (I no longer go wheel'n alone)

I assembled my own "accessory kit" and keep it in the Jeep with me. Everything is kept in a $10 tote bag from Target that I can just grab and go if I need my accessory equipment. The "kit" consists of:
  • 30 ft x 2" 20,000 lb. recovery strap with loop ends (no hooks)
  • 10ft x 3" 30,000 lb. tree strap
  • Warn's snatch block (others work well, too)
  • 2 D-shackles
  • $5 pair of sturdy leather work gloves (for handling the cable and stuff)
  • $10 tote bag w/ handles I keep everything in from Target
that's some impressive use of taht snatch block... i can tell you played w/ erector sets and legos when you were a kid
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Unread 11-17-2005, 03:46 AM   #9
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Haven't pulled out any cement trucks have you?
Don't you need two snatch blocks for that?! Hahahahahahahahaha
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Unread 11-17-2005, 07:14 AM   #11
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I'd suggest to buy the strongest one you can get your hands on... and buy a couple of lengths if only so you have an extra in case one gets trashed on the trails.

Overkill... just keeps you from killing someone.
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I have no idea what type of chain Warn sells but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a higher grade than the local Home Depot variety.
i havn't found the specs on warn's choker chain anywhere. you think they'd post the specs if it were amazingly great, like how many lbs capacity. at least depot's chain does.

i agree with nezzr, and overkill never hurt anyone.

snatch blocks are fun, just make sure you've got some good Drings that are capable of taking the weight. if there are any boat supply type places around you (west marine, boatUS, boatersworld...) check out their anchor dept. they have cheap Drings.
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i havn't found the specs on warn's choker chain anywhere. you think they'd post the specs if it were amazingly great, like how many lbs capacity. at least depot's chain does.

i agree with nezzr, and overkill never hurt anyone.

snatch blocks are fun, just make sure you've got some good Drings that are capable of taking the weight. if there are any boat supply type places around you (west marine, boatUS, boatersworld...) check out their anchor dept. they have cheap Drings.
Acualy on warns site it mentions that its grade 7 chain. as there is no grade 7 chain its probibly grade 70 chain. which in the 5/16th size warn spec's its WLL is 4700 lbs. That means a minimum brake strength of 23500lbs. thats more then twice the WLL of the 5/16th wire rope that comes on the 9500lbs and below winches.
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MI have no idea what type of chain Warn sells but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a higher grade than the local Home Depot variety.
The chain I see at my local Home Depot is all unrated. It's just like common hardware vs. Grade 5 and Grade 8 rated hardware. Chain used for vehicle recovery and highway use like for transport hold-down must be rated.
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Home Depot and Lowe's do sell rated chain (gade 70). At least around here. But not every chain they carry is rated that high. Always double check and if in doubt don't use it.
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