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Unread 10-24-2009, 09:15 AM   #16
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You guys really know how to fab stuff, and you clearly make quality products. I'm impressed with the openness on the forum and the designs & concepts from an engineering standpoint. Keep up the good work on that end.

But damn, that bumper if fugly. Not my style at all. To complicated, to much bolt on stuff, not a clean look and a flashy logo

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Unread 10-24-2009, 11:09 AM   #17
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wow like this bumper way better than the first, why not add a comp style stinger to the mix?.... also, just noticed you added the cutout wheel opening to the rear fenders, was wonderin if it still uses the same tube and you just cut the base? I got the rear fenders before the option, and ended up cutting out maybe around 1.5 inches both front and back, until the tube stopped me from going further
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Unread 10-24-2009, 03:27 PM   #18
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wow like this bumper way better than the first, why not add a comp style stinger to the mix?.... also, just noticed you added the cutout wheel opening to the rear fenders, was wonderin if it still uses the same tube and you just cut the base? I got the rear fenders before the option, and ended up cutting out maybe around 1.5 inches both front and back, until the tube stopped me from going further
The cut-out uses the same flares. Only the mounting plate is modified. I'd like more info about your build, send me a PM.

Glad you like the bumper! Send us an image of what style stinger you are looking for and if we incorporate it into our product line-up, we will send you the first production model for free.

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Unread 10-24-2009, 11:57 PM   #19
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Unread 10-25-2009, 08:57 AM   #20
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I think in general your stuff is needlessly overcomplicated and way over priced for the market (despite good looking fab). A bumper is still just a bumper after all. The ability to customize the bumper setup is innovative, but I wonder how much weight could be saved and strength increased if these things were one piece deals.
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Unread 10-25-2009, 03:35 PM   #21
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i agree that the bolt together nature of this is too.......lego like. I can't imagine it being too difficult to put together a few jigs to weld the pieces together.

Before i make a judgment call on price, i'd like to see the prices of individual components/finishes. $785 (that's what it says on the website, not the $685 you posted here) for that ezzy bumper his pretty steep. However, you guys are on-par for price w/ the Hanson bumpers, but i for the price/appearance, they'd get my money.

Why not offer, bare steel/aluminum, save people the cost of powdercoat. I for one wouldn't mind saving $100+ for powder coat, or lack of.

I'm also not a fan of the pointed leading edge. Why not make the the upper face vertical, but leave the bottom angled? and ditch the laser cut for a sticker logo. People would have to ask what the M was for anyway, so it's not very effective as a built-in billboard.
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Unread 10-25-2009, 06:35 PM   #22
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I don't understand why people are so against bolting things to the bumper, my bumper currently isn't welded to the frame and I'm not worried about it.... and especially with this bumper, the way it looks like with this bumper there are quite a few bolts, meaning it could take a beating and I would be more worried about the bumper deforming than the bolts shearing
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Unread 10-25-2009, 06:39 PM   #23
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I don't understand why people are so against bolting things to the bumper, my bumper currently isn't welded to the frame and I'm not worried about it.... and especially with this bumper, the way it looks like with this bumper there are quite a few bolts, meaning it could take a beating and I would be more worried about the bumper deforming than the bolts shearing
i completely agree about the strength of a bolt. It's probably just as strong, and the weight difference is minimal compared to welding, but it just looks...like an erector set...
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Unread 10-25-2009, 08:14 PM   #24
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i agree that the bolt together nature of this is too.......lego like. I can't imagine it being too difficult to put together a few jigs to weld the pieces together.

Before i make a judgment call on price, i'd like to see the prices of individual components/finishes. $785 (that's what it says on the website, not the $685 you posted here) for that ezzy bumper his pretty steep. However, you guys are on-par for price w/ the Hanson bumpers, but i for the price/appearance, they'd get my money.

Why not offer, bare steel/aluminum, save people the cost of powdercoat. I for one wouldn't mind saving $100+ for powder coat, or lack of.

I'm also not a fan of the pointed leading edge. Why not make the the upper face vertical, but leave the bottom angled? and ditch the laser cut for a sticker logo. People would have to ask what the M was for anyway, so it's not very effective as a built-in billboard.
Thank you for the awesome points!

As the post mentions: "With our 20% sale, these pre-configured builds range in price from $248 for the Stealth to $628 for Ezzy's Build." But I was remiss in not clearly defining that the Build Your Own Bumper link on our our Frame Built webpage is where you can also find each of the individual components listed for sale.

Here is a direct link: Order Your Own TJ/LJ/YJ Frame-Built Modular Bumper

As for the bolt-on nature. We truly appreciate all the great companies that have developed and continue to develop great and effective bumpers for Jeepers everywhere, but, as we mention in the thread, at MetalCloak we are always striving for something different, something unique and something that stretches the limits of the industry, while maintaining the goal of having the highest quality fabrication in the marketplace. (see the thread on our manufacturing process HERE).

Like our original Arched Tube Fenders, we expect many will like this Frame-Built concept with replaceable trail-tested components and many will not, but we value and respect each of you and your great feedback.

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Unread 10-25-2009, 08:46 PM   #25
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...you can also find each of the individual components listed for sale.

Here is a direct link: Order Your Own TJ/LJ/YJ Frame-Built Modular Bumper
ah, the price of stainless make a lot more sense...everything seems reasonable...except for UPS, too bad this stuff won't fit in a flat rate USPS box

I didn't mention it before, but I like how you can just add stuff on as you want. That way you don't have to get the fairlead mount or guard until you get a winch. I still kinda looks like an erector set though, but it's growing on me a bit.

Do you have any pix or renderings of the back? is it open or boxed?
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Unread 10-25-2009, 09:16 PM   #26
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Does the big M on the front of the bumper stand for money?
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Unread 10-26-2009, 12:46 PM   #27
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What about adding a engine roll bar and comp stinger to the list? I think a bumper with a engine roll bar and comp stinger will be very affective and not only look good but protect the jeep too.
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Unread 10-26-2009, 08:56 PM   #28
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Alot better. A much better design. I am glad you guys didn't get too offended by the comments and actually put them to work. This one is a bumper that I would invest in.
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Unread 10-26-2009, 09:25 PM   #29
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I definitely agree with the Radiator Hoop / Stinger combo. I would think that it would have to be welded together but you might be able to use bolt on supports for it that way it would be interchangeable with the different size stinger/winch guards you offer. Also I don't know if this would be at all possible but maybe you could also try to figure out a way to recess the winch into the bumper so that they do not block the grill so much. I've seen this done with a few different bumpers and it really makes it look clean.
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Unread 10-27-2009, 09:50 AM   #30
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Much better looking product. While the modular concept is obviously not for everyone, it is different and permits the buyer to get exactly the features he/she is looking for. The market is flooded with welded black powdercoated bumpers so it is nice to see another avenue.

I applaud your ability and willingness to accept customer feedback and completely overhaul your product to meet many of the requests of the potential user. A very basic but mostly ignored facet of customer service these days. Two thumbs up.
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