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Unread 05-04-2011, 09:13 AM   #1
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Which synthetic winch rope??

Alright, one of these days coming up, I'd like to get rid of the steel cable on my winch. I know there are a million threads out there for rope and I've probably read most of them. This question is for guys like Mr. Blaine and Jerry who are very well read on the subject and have used the rope for a while.

I have the M8000 winch with 100' of 5/16" cable. I'd like to upgrade to 3/8" for the durability with the rope if I get the normal stuff. Here are my options:

3/8" x 85' Amsteel Blue for $224
http://www.amsteelblue.com/item.cfm?itemid=44867&Buy=1

3/8" x 80' Viking winchline for $307
http://www.winchline.com/vtl_wl_cte.html

5/16" x 80' Masterpull Superline XD for $409
http://www.masterpull.com/item.cfm?itemid=9167


I'm one to slack a bunch on cleaning and maintenance, so cleaning out the rope every time I use it might not happen... I'm trying to decide if its worth it to get the fancy Masterpull line because its insanely strong, durable with the outer wrap, and won't get damaged by dirt/UV or anything else. My Jeep sits outside all the time and I'm not putting a cover on my winch, so the line is in the elements. What do you guys think? And any idea why the Viking line is so much more than Amsteel blue?

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I'm extremely happy with my 3/8" Viking winch line. I just installed it last month and it's already been used 6-8 times, it is SO nice to be back on synthetic winch line again. I went orange this time, it's pretty bright.

Thor at Viking will be happy to install the Safety Thimble (developed by mrblaine) as you can see below. It's a great device for added safety, it prevents hands from being pulled through the hawse or fairlead.
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Thanks Jerry. I really like the orange line myself, since it's my favorite color. Everything on my Jeep is black or white, so a bright orange winch line would really stand out haha. Everyone has the blue, its so played out As far as the safety thimble goes, I know its a great feature and all, but in the past I've been limited to what I could pull based on the size of a D-ring. Tried to pull a guy out at the beach, but couldn't get a D-ring through his stock tow point. Didn't have a winch then, but probably could've fit the hook on it. I just like the ease of the hook and I'm always super careful when reeling the line back in.


Another quick question while you're around. I know I have to get a new fairlead and snatch block due to possible burrs on the old stuff from the cable. What about the winch drum itself? Should I sand this down at all before installing the rope?
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Should I sand this down at all before installing the rope?
I would inspect it and smooth it down if it has any sharp or rough areas. I didn't find any on mine when I swapped lines but that doesn't mean they couldn't develop on a winch that has been used a lot. My M8000 was still fairly new when I made the switch.
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I'm getting a fancy aluminum hawse if I switch to synthetic line. Something like this probably

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Not to hijack the thread, but I am planning on buying sythetic line for my new M8000 as well.

It comes with the 5/16 100' steel cable, if I upgrade to 3/8th synthetic, is there any limitation on length? I would hoping to go with 100' line.
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Not to hijack the thread, but I am planning on buying sythetic line for my new M8000 as well.

It comes with the 5/16 100' steel cable, if I upgrade to 3/8th synthetic, is there any limitation on length? I would hoping to go with 100' line.
The recommended length of 3/8" line is 80' (by Warn and most other winch companies that come with 100' of 5/16" cable). That's why my links in the first post are all to 80'. Except the Masterpull line, which increases in price almost $100 for every 20'...
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Is there a reason for this? I figured it would be due to the rope being thicker, and thus making it a larger spool when fully retracted.

Or am I totally wrong and it based on streagth?
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Is there a reason for this? I figured it would be due to the rope being thicker, and thus making it a larger spool when fully retracted.

Or am I totally wrong and it based on streagth?
Nope, you're spot on. The thicker rope occupies more space. Fully spooled, 100ft of 5/16" takes up the same space as 80ft of 3/8" line.

I think the strength of wire cable and rope is about the same. Some people just recommend stepping up to 3/8" synthetic because it gives you a bit more of a safety factor. If a strand or two of the line breaks after rubbing on a rock or tree, it'll still be plenty strong.
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Nope, you're spot on. The thicker rope occupies more space. Fully spooled, 100ft of 5/16" takes up the same space as 80ft of 3/8" line.

I think the strength of wire cable and rope is about the same. Some people just recommend stepping up to 3/8" synthetic because it gives you a bit more of a safety factor. If a strand or two of the line breaks after rubbing on a rock or tree, it'll still be plenty strong.
well then, looks like im goin with 80' lol thnx for the help
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Yep 80' of 3/8" synthetic is what I went with and it was the right length. My Warn 9.5XP couldn't have held any more, it originally came with 100' of 5/16" wire.
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I think the strength of wire cable and rope is about the same. Some people just recommend stepping up to 3/8" synthetic because it gives you a bit more of a safety factor. If a strand or two of the line breaks after rubbing on a rock or tree, it'll still be plenty strong.
Amsteel Blue winch rope is actually a good bit stronger than the steel cable in the same diameter.

5/16" steel cable - 9,800 lbs (min. breaking strength)
5/16" Amsteel Blue rope - 12,300 lbs (min. breaking strength) and 13,700 (avg. breaking strength)

3/8" steel cable - 14,400 lbs (min breaking strength)
3/8" Amsteel Blue rope - 17,600 lbs (min. breaking strength) and 19,600 (avg. breaking strength)

But yes, like you said, most jump up to a 3/8" synthetic rope for the safety factor because the synthetic rope is less resistant to abrasion than steel cable. It doesn't mean synthetic is non resistant by any means but care should be taken when using the rope to avoid contact over sharp rocks, etc. Same care should really be taken with steel cable too
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Not to hijack the thread, but I am planning on buying sythetic line for my new M8000 as well.

It comes with the 5/16 100' steel cable, if I upgrade to 3/8th synthetic, is there any limitation on length? I would hoping to go with 100' line.
80' of 3/8" Amsteel Blue fits well on the M8000. You could run into some problems with the line bunching up if you go with 100'. There is always winch rope extensions if you need extra length in some situation.



Keep in mind, this is before I spooled the line on under load.
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If you're comfortable with ebay, don't forget to check there, maybe save a few bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/Amsteel-Blue-Winch-Rope-Line-3-8-x-80-w-Sling-Hook
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