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Unread 06-09-2014, 02:47 PM   #1
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Stuck on a climb yesterday -- Do you think a truck could pull me up a hill?



The picture shows the hill, i didn't get one of the incident. But i was going up, and had a tire upon the grassy column in the middle cuz it was a tight fit.. My tire slipped and fell on some soft ground that landed my rear axel on the middle column and can't climb any further and can't back off of it. I'm getting a friend's truck to pull me up. If i can move forward, my wheels can cover the ground, but it's deeper behind me. Basically my rear end is straddling the column, I have some clearance on the front axel, but the back is buried with the tires slipping.
Think a truck like a F250 would have any trouble pulling me off some dirt up a hill? I'm just below the top. I shouldn't be blocked by the grassy column going forward, but when i tried backing down a little bit is when the rear axel got stuck on the mound. I'm pretty nervous because I haven't had to do a pull out on a climb before. We don't have a winch, so I'd need the truck to be able to pull forward. It's all dirt on the top so i hope it doesn't just spin out..
Edit: Had to leave her there overnight. Was getting dark and I couldn't dig it out. Plus if i went backwards, the positioning makes me nervous that it would slip onto the right path and possibly flip.

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Unread 06-09-2014, 06:16 PM   #2
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Piece of cake with an F250. No snatching. No grabbing. Just make sure you have well connected straps. Just have him snug up the strap and gently pull forward. If you have two tow points on the front of your rig use both of them to equalize the pull. Let the recovery vehicle do the work. Just touch the throttle as he starts to pull. As long as the straps are long enough to have him over the peak, it will be no problem. Use a spotter at the top to signal both of you.
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Piece of cake with an F250. No snatching. No grabbing. Just make sure you have well connected straps. Just have him snug up the strap and gently pull forward. If you have two tow points on the front of your rig use both of them to equalize the pull. Let the recovery vehicle do the work. Just touch the throttle as he starts to pull. As long as the straps are long enough to have him over the peak, it will be no problem. Use a spotter at the top to signal both of you.

Thanks Wilson. We were able to get out pretty easily. I was nested on top of a column of tough dirt that was blocking my axels and made the truck dig down a bit. But after a half hour of digging we turned the column into a ramp and got out pretty easily.

Just for fun, here's a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqDbCmfq4Mo
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I am glad he got you out. I would have suggested a little more finesse and less throttle. A little better communication between him and you would have kept that last hard tug from happening. With your wheels turned and him pulling you from the side you stand a chance of breaking something in the front end. No big deal and not trying to be a know it all, just offering my thoughts.
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Just about everything went wrong there except the result. Glad you got out. Next time you might want to think about the advice I gave. Specifically, you should have looped through both tow points so the recovery rig was not pulling you sideways. And, you should have let the recovery rig do the work. Your rig is 100 times safer if its wheels are not spinning and you can actually steer it. With all of that dust and wheel spin, anything could happen. And it happens faster than you expect. Trust me on this, I have learned the hard way. It takes a little patience, but keep on plugging away. And, read the recovery bible, here:

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Specifically, you should have looped through both tow points so the recovery rig was not pulling you sideways.
Are you suggesting a bridle rigging? Almost everybody I've seen try that gets the lengths all wrong and that can end up doing more harm than good. Would not recommend that to somebody new to this.
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wilson1010 that is really good advice. First step is to try to just let them pull you out, if you have to use the throttle you should use it carefully.
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Are you suggesting a bridle rigging? Almost everybody I've seen try that gets the lengths all wrong and thst can end up doing more harm than good. Would not recommend that to somebody new to this.
X2, better to use just one point if you can. If not, the length of the bridle should be twice as long as the width between the two recovery points at minimum.
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Are you suggesting a bridle rigging? Almost everybody I've seen try that gets the lengths all wrong and that can end up doing more harm than good. Would not recommend that to somebody new to this.
Push one loop one end of the strap through both tow points and then push the other loop end through the loop that just went through. Self equalizing and no chance of a knot in the strap.

Bridleing doesn't work.
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Push one loop one end of the strap through both tow points and then push the other loop end through the loop that just went through. Self equalizing and no chance of a knot in the strap.

Bridleing doesn't work.
I must not be smart enough and will have to think about it some more but that still seems to me like it creates opposing inward forces (like a badly done bridle) rather than complimentary forward forces.

Personally I didn't see any huge issues with how OP did it.
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I must not be smart enough and will have to think about it some more but that still seems to me like it creates opposing inward forces (like a badly done bridle) rather than complimentary forward forces.

Personally I didn't see any huge issues with how OP did it.
I'll put up a diagram later. He was pulling the rig sideways. And, from the wrong side. Pulling on the passenger side with the driver's side downhill exposed. Remember that the rig will rotate around the tow point being used. That is the axis. A pretty good start to flipping the rig on its side. And, he had the wheels cut that direction (to the right), so the whole thing was a dog's breakfast. Good result though.
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I'll put up a diagram later. He was pulling the rig sideways. And, from the wrong side. Pulling on the passenger side with the driver's side downhill exposed. Remember that the rig will rotate around the tow point being used. That is the axis. A pretty good start to flipping the rig on its side. And, he had the wheels cut that direction (to the right), so the whole thing was a dog's breakfast. Good result though.
Agreed that being hooked to the other side may have been wiser. I do think there appeared to be more roll over risk than there actually was.
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Agreed that being hooked to the other side may have been wiser. I do think there appeared to be more roll over risk than there actually was.
I think you are right about that. But, it is a good idea to scare the newbs.

Here is the diagram.
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I think you are right about that. But, it is a good idea to scare the newbs.

Here is the diagram.
That's not a good way to hook things up. You are putting a ton of side load on the recovery points, even more so than if you did it the other way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_death_triangle
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