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Unread 04-25-2004, 05:47 PM   #1
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Be Safe!!!

Be careful when checking out those faint side trials. Yesterday I was up in the Big Bear area with another buddy. I was traveling a trail that I've been across a dozen times. This time, however, I noticed a faint trail that I have never noticed before. Off I went, climbing up a hill, zig zagging through the trees. There were no tracks in front of me so I'm assuming no one's been on it in a while. Next thing I know I go around a large thicket of brush and trees and I'm in the middle of what appears to be a meth lab. This heavily used camp looked as though the cockroaches had just scattered. The doors of every tent were wide open and no one in site. The trailed ended at the camp and was very narrow. A grueling 14 point turn and I was out of there.

I've been exploring the Big Bear and Arrowhead areas for the past three or four years. Some days I go out with only one plan, to explore all of the off shoots that I usually drive by. Most just end somewhere in the forest, but others have yielded spectacular views or neat little camp sites. This discovery was enlightening. A reminder that not everyone in the back woods is there to enjoy the outdoors.

Be safe...

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Unread 04-25-2004, 07:05 PM   #2
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EXACTLY why I always carry at least a pistol when I go offroading. Never know when you are going to run across someone doing something like that or someone who wants your jeep. When the nearest help is miles away and would take at least an hour or five to get there I rely on my .45, .40, or .223 to protect me. Yet another reason I stay out of Cali because they take away the good majority of your rights to protect yourself.
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Unread 04-25-2004, 11:02 PM   #3
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We've had a huge problem in Iowa with meth. They find labs everywhere. A couple of guys cooking meth in the woods were interrupted by a DNR officer out patrolling. They fled on quads and there were some shots fired. Tweakers tend to be pretty sketchy and paranoid, not a good group.

A while back a deputy stopped us as we exited a somewhat legally dubious spot for wheeling (that's now closed) and just wanted to ask us if we had seen anything going on. He did a visual search on our vehicles and then told us to call if we did find any labs. He said us no one in their department would give a trespassing ticket to anyone reporting a lab they see wheeling. There's some nasty stuff in that process that is real pain to clean up.
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Unread 04-26-2004, 12:01 AM   #4
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So did you report it or what?
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My jeep has only ever killed 3 things, a cat, a deer, and my wallet. What's the problem officer?

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Unread 04-26-2004, 06:47 AM   #5
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So did you report it or what?
Yes. I went to the closest ranger station. The personnel at the station are mainly there to give tourists information, but I did leave a voicemail with the law enforcement official that needs to follow up on this. This was late Saturday. I'm expecting to be talking to him today. I have the GPS coordinates of the site so finding it won't be a problem. Hopefully the cockroaches are still there.
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Unread 04-26-2004, 09:30 AM   #6
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Nice work, it's stuff like that that will ruin our trails and our countries (Canada included). Glad to see you didn't sloff it off as not worth getting into.
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My jeep has only ever killed 3 things, a cat, a deer, and my wallet. What's the problem officer?

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Thanks to the price of gas here ($4.25 a gal) I just bought a mountain bike, 0" of lift, 0" of travel, MT's, locked rear axle, oh yeah, it's the sh#$.
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Unread 04-26-2004, 10:23 PM   #7
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Yes. I went to the closest ranger station. The personnel at the station are mainly there to give tourists information, but I did leave a voicemail with the law enforcement official that needs to follow up on this. This was late Saturday. I'm expecting to be talking to him today. I have the GPS coordinates of the site so finding it won't be a problem. Hopefully the cockroaches are still there.
GrimJeeper,
My son & I wheel in the Big Bear area fairly regularly also. While I have never run across any meth labs, I commend you for taking the time to report this to the police. I hope that it will help to make a differance in the long run.
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Unread 04-30-2004, 05:24 PM   #8
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Yes. I went to the closest ranger station. The personnel at the station are mainly there to give tourists information, but I did leave a voicemail with the law enforcement official that needs to follow up on this. This was late Saturday. I'm expecting to be talking to him today. I have the GPS coordinates of the site so finding it won't be a problem. Hopefully the cockroaches are still there.
they would have gotten away with it if it was for you meddling kids!!
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Unread 04-30-2004, 06:55 PM   #9
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To date they have gotten away with it. It's been a week and I have left four voice mails with Forest Service (law enforment rangers ) and no one has called me back. I guess they are too busy enforcing the Adventure Pass program (don't get me started on that!). I figure if they haven't called by now they're not going to.

I called the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department today. Left a message and was contacted by a deputy an hour later. He assured me that the matter would be investigated and was not happy to hear about the Forest Service response (or lack of).
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Unread 04-30-2004, 07:17 PM   #10
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To date they have gotten away with it. It's been a week and I have left four voice mails with Forest Service (law enforment rangers ) and no one has called me back. I guess they are too busy enforcing the Adventure Pass program (don't get me started on that!). I figure if they haven't called by now they're not going to.

That's pathetic... I guess the USFS has more pressing matters... something like Ranger Rick out chasing Yogi Bear and the picnic basket around. Good to see you skipped the weak link and went straight to the local Sheriff. Nice job!
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Unread 05-01-2004, 12:30 AM   #11
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It may be a matter of money. It generally costs from $2,000 to $10,000 to clean up a lab depending on its size, and can sometimes go into six digits. They may be ducking you because if they are the first officials on scene then they are responsible for footing the bill for the clean-up. It's Effed up, I know.

I would reccomend calling your local DEA office. They should be in the phone book either in the first few pages or under US Federal Government. Ask to speak to an Agent directly, try not to leave a message.
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It may be a matter of money. It generally costs from $2,000 to $10,000 to clean up a lab depending on its size, and can sometimes go into six digits. They may be ducking you because if they are the first officials on scene then they are responsible for footing the bill for the clean-up. It's Effed up, I know.

I would reccomend calling your local DEA office. They should be in the phone book either in the first few pages or under US Federal Government. Ask to speak to an Agent directly, try not to leave a message.

i wonder what the responce will be when someone gets hurt or killed and he contacts the family members and informs them he found the lab weeks prior and constantly tried calling the rangers with no responce....just like stop signs are busy intersections where a couple people need to be killed before they put up a traffic light....oh well its the american way i guess
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Unread 05-01-2004, 04:13 PM   #13
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If law enforcement hasn't moved on this in the next week then I could publish the GPS coordinates of the suspected site on this board, sort of a public service announcement. What do the rest of you think? Seems like if there's an area the could present a danger others wheeling in the area have a right to know (for their safety).
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Unread 05-01-2004, 06:00 PM   #14
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Its terrible hearing how much trouble you are having with this. Maybe you should say you saw a dead body there, that should get some attention. Good luck man,
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Unread 05-01-2004, 06:02 PM   #15
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Its terrible hearing how much trouble you are having with this. Maybe you should say you saw a dead body there, that should get some attention. Good luck man,
ya or terrorist activity.....everyone will want to be a hero then....
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