I'm curios the only 4wd vehicle that I have had is the jeep that I am driving currently. So far I love it. The only thing I don't like about it is the manual transmission. I wish I would have got the auto instead. The thing I am wondering is how does the jeep wrangler compare to the toyota tacoma in off road capability. I know with different lifts and tire sizes and such you get different variables that come into play so I'm not concerned about any of that. I'm just curious about both in stock 4x4 form. Thanks for any input on this.
Last edited by blackcat471; 01-19-2009 at 02:01 PM..
if you are comparing the 03 TJ and 03 Tacoma I would go with the jeep. better suspension for offroad purpose. hopefully its a Dana 44 rear and front in your jeep vs the IFS on the taco. the rear axle however in the tacoma is quite stout. overall I would rock the TJ personally. I have a 93yj and a 98 taco and prefer my yj. both are manual. I do however prefer my taco on the road
I have a friend from WA and I wheeled with him in his standard cab, short box Tacoma. It did great but he doesn't get the axle articulation I do, or the traction without the factory rear locker, and even though it is the shortest model Tacoma, the slightly longer body does hug trees on the tight trails.
Oh yeah, and his top doesn't come off.
The Jeep is it's own species, don't expect anything like it.
One thing in particular that I am curious about is the angle of approach on the toyo's. I've been up hills in my jeep where the rear bumper has scraped the ground and I've went down hills where my front bumper has scraped the ground. How do the toyotas do in this field.
dual purpose rig, jeep all the way
but i believe a toyo is better as a dedicated vehicle. they have comfort and utility on pavement. but if you make it a trail rig (solid front axle), you can hack it up, throw some larger tires on it and wheel it to the grave w/o much of a worry.
the older 22r engines are like the energizer bunny. you wouldn't dream of running 35's on a 4banger jeep, the 22r does it a lot.
i don't think i can post a link (b/c of the censor) but there's a few really good threads on pirate 4x4 for 'yotes.
I have owned both a 98 reg cab Tacoma and my current 04 Rubicon. The Tacoma was OK off road, but as stated above the rear bumper dragged on departure. That's why you see some people with "bobbed" beds. My Jeep is a totally different animal off road, and I love it for that! To me, the only advantage of the Tacoma is the cargo capacity!
I had a '96 Tacoma extended cab. It was a great truck and did amazingly well for off-roading. The drawbacks were it's length and the IFS. I sure do miss it. To be honest, if a jeep wasn't so dang fun to drive, I would go back to it. That is mosty because the jeep is my daily driver and a the Tacoma would fit the role much better. The jeep is a toy where as a Tacoma would be a tool for me. My opinion.
"Jeeps are the equivalent of barbies for men."-JaikYJ
1996 Cherokee XJ, All stock except for a Flow Master exhaust.........for now. He He.
Depends on what you're doing. Prerunning in the desert? Taco all the way. Crawling rocks/hills? Jeep for the win.
The other day i was out wheeling with my buddy, and we saw a couple Jeeps and a Yoder out playing. The Yoder decided he was gonna show off, and started up the steepest, sickest, most butt-puckering hill I've ever seen. Rocks and ruts all over. He made it up to the top, about 200 yards or so. He had at least a 6inch lift with some huge BFG KM2s. One of the Jeeps went up after him, made it as well. He was rocking about a 6inch lift on Boggers. Awesome to watch, unfortunately I left my camera at home.
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a really good friend of mine has a taco and it is very capable offroad... he swears by it. one thing that i wish my jeep had is the truck bed.
That is one of the best improvements I have seen in my swap from Jeep to Toyota. Having a bed is so much nicer than I thought it would be. I have a 91 Toyota that is SASed. It will out perform my old YJ in almost every regard. The aftermarket for toyotas is very good, and having the wheelbase to run dual transfer cases is also nice.
Jeep and Toyota are great starting points, and both have alot of strengths and weaknesses. Either way I don't think you can go wrong
All right i have owned a 1992 yj and a 1997 tj and now a 2002 tacoma and by far the tacoma is the best for off road and all a round. The only thing that comes close is the rubicon and they have a weak dana 44. the only bad part on the tacoma is the IFS it sucks ive broken 3 cv axles on the drivers side and 2 on the passenger side. thats why im going to a solide axle swap on my tacoma. WoooHooo... on those jeeps the 92 yj the rear end went out and radiator over heated all the time. but i could drive it with out doors and top. It so much fun to DRIVE. On the 97 tj i blow up the rear end and the t-case drive lines and the radiator over heated. so in the end more bang for the buck would be the tacoma it can tow more, you can throw stuff in the bed, more people room. Dont get me worng jeeps are fun to DRIVE:cheers...
Where we wheel only the old straight front axle Toy pickups work well (talking near stock, different tires + lift + gears & lockers, Toy pickups and Jeeps & ignoring FJs, etc.). The ones with independent fronts seem to be "bash it harder in an attempt to slide over" vehicles. The jeeps are normally better (although the less well driven ones are still in the "air time/slider" category). The old straight front axle Toys are awesome for stock/near stock vehicles.
Toyota independent front pickups are basically on road vehicles or for moderate trails (IMO) as they have ground clearance issues due to the front axle. The Toyota pickups that came independent are normally modified with straight front axles to run the rougher trails (taking them out of the near stock category).
The differential gears on the small independent front Toyota pickups (7.5 & 8" ring gear) seem to be a bit weaker than the Jeep differentials (yes, weaker than a RC 30 front) in stock condition they seem to fail at about the same torque/power/abuse level as a 35c rear (although we see relatively few so the sample is small).
I have yet to see a full sized stock or near stock Toyota pickup on the trails where we play (we do see bobbed straight axle Toyota buggies that do well). The large pickups may be better than the smaller pickups but the independent front end will almost certainly be a clearance issue to some extent (it seems to be a problem on every IFS equipped vehicle that I see on difficult trails, off road) and they will have the same issues weaving through the trees/picking a line as the full sized Chevy and Ford pickups. I have yet to see an independent front Toyota do as well a similarly equipped TJ.
That said due to size differences any Toyota/Jeep (CJ/YJ/TJ) comparison should be kept to similar vehicles as the wheelbase makes them optimized to different wheeling styles and terrains, off road.
...a well prepped, well driven, vehicle should do well in any terrain, including the highway.
Carburetors became obsolete during the last century... do what ever it takes to get fuel injection...It makes bigger grins off road.
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