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Unread 07-15-2009, 10:17 PM   #1
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Free / cheap protective winch sleeve

I posted this in the cheap fixes forum, but wanted to make sure that this helps as many people as possible.

All those who winch, especially those using synthetic lines, should have a protective sleeve available to protect the line from sharp protrusions. Instead of spending $ on buying some sleeve, use an old bicycle inner tube. Just cut the valve off on both ends, so that the tube now lays flat. Cut a line down the center of one side, so that you can slip the rope inside when you need it. The great thing is that many of us probably have an old inner tube that we told ourselves we'd get to patching one day, lol. If not, any local bike shop would more that likely be happy to give you some of theirs that have been replaced. When not in use, it rolls up really small, so it easily fits inside a recovery gear bag. Perfect protective sheath for your winch line and shouldn't cost a dime. Hope this will help somebody.

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Unread 07-15-2009, 10:57 PM   #2
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Perfect protective sheath for your winch line and shouldn't cost a dime. Hope this will help somebody.
Actually it's a very poor idea and the only thing you're going to cost someone is a cut winchline.
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Unread 07-17-2009, 09:57 AM   #3
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???? huh, how is putting an old piece of rubber going to cut the winch line? your dumb.
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Unread 07-17-2009, 10:14 AM   #4
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Because it will give you a false sense of security. When you reel in your line across a rock using at thin piece of rubber to protect the line that false warm feeling will end up giving you two lines instead of one. I guess you could just tie the two pieces together.
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Unread 07-17-2009, 01:17 PM   #5
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As anyone tried using garden hose? Seems like that might work pretty well.
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Unread 07-17-2009, 01:22 PM   #6
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As anyone tried using garden hose? Seems like that might work pretty well.
The diameter of a usable length of garden hose would make the rope/hose combination too large to spool onto the hub.

The cost of a short length of the proper type of rope sleeve isn't gonna kill anyone that can afford a winch.
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Unread 07-17-2009, 03:53 PM   #7
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a buddy of mine uses a two foot length of 2.5" fire hose
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Unread 07-18-2009, 12:23 PM   #8
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???? huh, how is putting an old piece of rubber going to cut the winch line? your dumb.
My intelligence aside, here's a little experiment for you to try and then get back to me regarding my level of common sense.

Take your "protective" sleeve or a short section of it. Get a reasonably dull double bit axe and stick it in the chopping log so the handle is parallel to the ground and one bit is up. Take your short "protective" sleeve and place it on your finger so your finger acts like the winchline, the bit is a sharp rock. Now take your other hand and push down on your finger, don't be afraid to push hard because when a winch line is loaded, there can be several hundred to well over a thousand pounds of pressure on that sharp point.

Now how "protective" is your sleeve and who's dumb? And for the sake of this discussion, we aren't even going to get into the wear factor the line exerts when it's moving across your sleeve when it's loaded.
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your right a rubber hose will not stop a axe, thanks for pointing that out i would have never guess that . all the rubber hose would do is protect from light contact and if your winching and have "several hundred to well over a thousand pounds of pressure on that sharp point." you should move to another anchoring point so your not draging the weight of the jeep across sharp rocks, thats just common sense if you ask me.
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Unread 07-29-2009, 03:42 PM   #10
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...if your winching and have "several hundred to well over a thousand pounds of pressure on that sharp point." you should move to another anchoring point so your not draging the weight of the jeep across sharp rocks, thats just common sense if you ask me.
It may appear to be common sense but it's not always possible. Seems like the heavier the load I have to put on the winch, the worse the available anchor spots. Maybe that's just one of Murphy's Laws.
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your right a rubber hose will not stop a axe, thanks for pointing that out i would have never guess that . all the rubber hose would do is protect from light contact and if your winching and have "several hundred to well over a thousand pounds of pressure on that sharp point." you should move to another anchoring point so your not draging the weight of the jeep across sharp rocks, thats just common sense if you ask me.
Wow, that's some reaction. My impression is that if you had done a lot of wheeling on terrain that has sharp rocks in the way, you'd have already known that you can't always simply move your anchor point. In fact more often than not, you're struggling to even find a good place to connect your winch line to, let alone having an assortment of them.

You personally may wheel where there are a lot of trees and thus a lot of good anchor spots but not all wheeling areas have an assortment of anchor spots to choose from. Where I wheel, it's rocks and more rocks and you can only anchor to a huge bolder that MAY be convenient but usually not, or to another Jeep who is often in a precarious position himself.

I'd say lighten up, mrblaine gave you a good answer and it was totally realistic. If you saw the areas he wheels in and knew of his deep expertise in this subject, you'd have accepted his opinion without problem. And that you said "your dumb" in response to his answer was about the silliest thing you could have said... if you only knew mrblaine.

So no, a bicycle inner tube is not even close to being able to protect a synthetic winch line from sharp terrain.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:22 AM   #12
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your right a rubber hose will not stop a axe, thanks for pointing that out i would have never guess that .
You didn't point it out, so someone had to. And judging by any recommendation to use a bicycle inner tube as a protective sleeve means we're dealing with the rustiest hammer.


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all the rubber hose would do is protect from light contact
Oh, I see, we now have grades of protection for our winchlines. Do they come in a neat little bag with slots that say Light Contact, Medium Contact, Heavy Contact, and Call in the Helicopter?

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and if your winching and have "several hundred to well over a thousand pounds of pressure on that sharp point." you should move to another anchoring point so your not draging the weight of the jeep across sharp rocks, thats just common sense if you ask me.
I'd invite you to come out and show me how it's done. With rare exception we have one largish boulder that won't move when we pull on it and regardless of how much we'd like for it to be elsewhere, it just won't grow legs and get there. So, we use what we got and common sense dictates that we protect out lines at all costs when we do so and no bicycle inner tube will do that.

And before you start in with moving another rig to be the anchor, there's only a few spots in all of those trails where you can even get one rig by another one. If you have a great suggestion as to how to fix that, I'm all ears.
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The only thing a bicycle inner tube is good for, is tying a knot in the end of when you run out of condoms.
That's sig worthy

and to make this on topic...i could rub a hole through a rubber tube with the flat side of a yellow #2 pencil
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Unread 08-01-2009, 05:49 PM   #14
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not to agree or disagree with anyone here.....
but if you can afford the winch, can afford to go wheeling where a winch has a good chance of being needed, and can afford synthetic line for that winch.... isn't is common sense to buy the right protector in the first place?
i dont wheel where there are no tree's as a rule, we have moisture in the mid west and all our parks are privately owned. tree's we have plenty of as a rule. so the argument of only having 1 rock to anchor to rarely comes into play for me.
what does come into play, is spending a small fortune on recovery gear that HAS to do its job when i need it to. I'm sorry, but i will not rely on an innertube to save my high $$$ winch line, or my backside for that matter.
there are cheaper alternatives than the winch line protectors, but non work as good as the real deal. i haul heavy machinery for a living, so have an idea about protecting chains/straps and so on. same principals apply, if i do not protect my tie downs, there is a chance of a 70,000lb piece of equipment falling of my trailer and killing someone. just like if i do not protect my winch line while under tremendous tension, there is a chance of me and my rig ending up rolling down a hill, or flopping over if i am lucky.

just my .02, but please keep the inner tubes in the kiddo's bikes?

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OK, since the Jeepforum Supreme Court has ruled against the OPs idea, how about using something like that to protect a tow strap inserted into a 2" receiver, from the edges? I've thought about using a cut off sock, or a piece of vinyl with Velcro to close it.
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