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Unread 02-28-2009, 11:35 PM   #76
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OH YEAH SECURE THAT PUPPY! A 10 lbs halon will become a missle if you fracture the neck of the bottle. We tested one in the labs at the National Fire Academy I forgot how many yards it went but I dont know of any NFL quarterback would have even come remotely close to it. Look at this way, a highlift jack handle barely taps you in the head as you crawl over a rock. It hurts! Now imagine Barry Bonds swingin that jack handle at full force and knocking your head over the centerfield fence and into the top row of the stadium. That would be your extinguisher hitting you in the head under a fracture discharge.

My advice: get an approved bracket for it and SECURE IT.
Don't worry. It is still in the house as I have not figured how or where to adequately secure it in the jeep yet. I will be real careful that it is mounted as securely as possible. It is a good one with a metal valve and handle and a rubber hose.

Thanks for the advice.

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Unread 04-10-2009, 04:45 PM   #77
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Since there seems to be alot of intrest in this topic, here is a web site to teach you how to PROPERLY OPERATE your extinguisher. Its one thing to have an extinguisher its another to know how to use it. This site was designed by one of my brother Fire Instructor's. It's free and done in a web power point presentation with no special program downloads.

www.fireextinguisher.com

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That was an excellent tutorial
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Unread 04-11-2009, 11:45 PM   #78
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Glad you liked it ..I will be sure to pass your comment on.
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Unread 04-12-2009, 12:06 AM   #79
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thats a good tutorial.

I just recently put a 2 1/2lb bc fire extuenguesur in my truck, I know it's not the "best" but it;s better than nothing. I also have 1 or 2 small halon ones in there too.
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Unread 06-15-2009, 12:18 AM   #80
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thats a good tutorial.

I just recently put a 2 1/2lb bc fire extuenguesur in my truck, I know it's not the "best" but it;s better than nothing. I also have 1 or 2 small halon ones in there too.
I just spoke with the Instructor that started the web site ..he told me that since it was placed here on Jeep forum his web counter went crazy....He wants to
Thank everyone that looked at it and to Keep Jeepin ,,,Fire free that is!!
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Unread 06-17-2009, 10:25 AM   #81
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OH YEAH SECURE THAT PUPPY! A 10 lbs halon will become a missle if you fracture the neck of the bottle.
secure it with the neck forward. that way when someone honks or tailgates you, you can break the neck with hammer and physics will take care of the rest!

very interesting thread. thanks for all the great info. i'm in the fire pump business and deal with fire fighting systems for refineries. this is a whole new world!

as obxresq put it very nicely, beeing jeepers we shouldn't only worry about our jeeps (or others' jeeps) but also about wild fires since we drive out in nature. it is our obligation to be responsible drivers. In an attempt to be one I had purchased 2x 2.5lbs extinguishers which I installed next to each of the front seats. i now need to check what they are rated for thanks to this thread.

an engine fire is very difficult to control because of oil/fuel leaks. even with a 10lb extinguisher it will still be extremely difficult to put out a fire after the first couple of minutes. it's just too hot. the idea is to put out YOUR fire as soon as you see the first signs of smoke.

if you see a vehicle on the side of the road on fire don't risk your life by trying to put it out as you don't know how long it has been burning and you don't know when it will become explosive. this happened to me a few months ago. i found a car where the flames were just starting to come out of the hood and as i approached it with my extinguisher there were 2 small explosions. i must have been around 10ft away from the car when it happened and it wasn't pretty.

the only situation where i would attempt to approach a vehicle on fire is if there were people trapped inside. in this case i wouldn't use the extinguisher to put the fire out, but instead to try to keep the flames away from me (or the rescuers) long enough for the rescue to be completed. this is the basic principle of fire fighting in refineries. you don't try to put the fire out if it's too big, you try to keep the fuel containers/pipes/etc cool so they don't melt causing a fuel spill which would result in an explosion. all refineries have sprinkler systems and water canons AROUND their oil storage tanks (not above) to keep the walls from melting, and foam systems above the tanks to try to suppress the oxygen.
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Unread 06-17-2009, 10:58 AM   #82
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If ABC powdered extinguishers are fired in an engine and it gets into the intake it will pretty much destroy your engine. There is metal in the powder than adheres to any hot surface. Not good for engines
BC powder is pretty much baking soda with additives in it to prevent caking
I've got a snorkel on my jeep so I guess an ABC extinguisher would be ok, but then again, the entire air intake all the way to the throttle valve is made of plastic, so in case of fire this will melt exposing the engine.

As a conclusion would you say that the best extinguisher for all us jeepers is a 5lb BC type?
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Unread 06-17-2009, 05:19 PM   #83
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I've got a snorkel on my jeep so I guess an ABC extinguisher would be ok, but then again, the entire air intake all the way to the throttle valve is made of plastic, so in case of fire this will melt exposing the engine.

As a conclusion would you say that the best extinguisher for all us jeepers is a 5lb BC type?
Its been my experience that once you have a fire hot enough to melt your plastic snorkle you will need to rebuild the engine or get a new one.

1) The melted plastic is going to drip into your intake manifold and possibly the combustion chamber as well.

2) Most engine compartment fires will reach temp. of 900 degrees very rapidly. This is hot enough to warp the heads, damage seals, along with the possiblity of warping rings on the pistons. Remember your engines normal operational temp is around 210 to 220 degrees now it has been exposed to almost 4 times that amout of heat.

3) All your wiring will need to be replaced. Not just replacing the burnt part but the whole wire. Wire transfers heat ,like electricity, their might be little damage to the wire past the fire side but the plug at the other end might be fried.

Be safe in all aspects go with an ABC 10 lbs or 2-5lbs. Two 5lbs might be easier to find places for in a Jeep and if you only need 5lbs to put out the fire your still good with another 5 lbs waiting to back it up.
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Unread 06-17-2009, 10:44 PM   #84
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I always carry a 5lb ABC and when I wheel I carry a 10lb ABC as well, I have been thoroughly trained at work and when I was on the fire dept, and still refresh as an EMT every year. The fire extinguishers were given to the fire dept by the state when they got rid of there old ones, I took the best ones and have them inspected every year. The Fire Dept didn't need them because theirs were newer than what the state had, so they put them up for grabs, to anyone who wanted one or three.
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Its been my experience that once you have a fire hot enough to melt your plastic snorkle you will need to rebuild the engine or get a new one.
Be safe in all aspects go with an ABC 10 lbs or 2-5lbs. Two 5lbs might be easier to find places for in a Jeep and if you only need 5lbs to put out the fire your still good with another 5 lbs waiting to back it up.
Yep, this def makes sense. Thanks for the tip. I'll take care of my extinguishers this week!
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Unread 06-21-2009, 10:07 PM   #86
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Wow, I love being directed to old threads that have tons of useful info!

Woot.com the other day had a pair of 16oz XT portable ABC fire extinguishers, which I bought. I also have a couple of Badger 10MB-4H 10lbs ABC (4-A:60-B:C) steel shells with aluminum valves that I got took from work when we moved buildings and were throwing the old ones out for whatever reason. Last inspected about 2 years ago.

Now I know that the 16oz'ers are practically useless, but what about that 10-pounder? It's pretty huge, and I'm not even sure where I'd mount it in a daily driver. Maybe leave it at home (one in the garage, one under the kitchen sink) and opt for the 5lbs Purple K linked to earlier?
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That is the problem with the 10lb'ers "Were to put them?" Plus the one you have is even bigger than the newer aluminium ones. I would go with the 2-5lbs
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I like the Purple K unit linked earlier. Are they difficult to get refilled/recharged? What can I expect to pay for a Purple K recharge?
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CO2 System

So I have researched and have seen fire extinguisher systems for cars, (mostly Halon), but I was thinking of making my own system with CO2. For some background CO2 is good for electrical, Flammable gases, and Liquids. (correct if I'm wrong in areas. Lastly CO2 is heavier than air so I'll mount the discharge nozzles to the underside of the hood. If anything at all I'll have a portable ABC extinguisher while the CO2 might just calm down the flames till I can do something otherwise. Anyone done something of the same or have suggestions?
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So here is the Drawing. CO2 bottle located anywhere. The blue lines are the lines to the nozzles. And the green squares are the nozzles.

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