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Unread 10-14-2008, 02:42 PM   #46
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I've never seen the Home Depots and Walmarts carry anything worth buying. Most big stores only carry the Multi-Purpose extinguisher (ABC). Try a Fire Safety company. Just look up Fire extinguisher in the yellow pages. Get a quality one like the pics of schitzandgiggles extinguishers.

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Unread 10-14-2008, 05:05 PM   #47
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That's what I figured, I'll get one from my local welding gas supply location, I seem to recall they had a decent selection of them. Thanks JohnnyYZ!
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Unread 10-14-2008, 06:01 PM   #48
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Is there a more affordable alternative to Halotron?
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Unread 10-14-2008, 07:28 PM   #49
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CO2 is an alternative. But they are a larger extinguisher, don't work good in cold weather. But you could always fill your tires with it in a pinch. lol.
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Unread 10-17-2008, 08:33 AM   #50
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Thanks to this thread I just ordered one of these:



from here

http://www.allhandsfire.com/BADGER-5...RD-W-WALL-HOOK

Seventy-three bucks with shipping (Now $99) I'm keeping my 2.5lb ABC crapola extinguisher just in case someone wants to steal it, but the Purple K is going to be on the job come tonight.

Edit: updated link, price
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Unread 10-17-2008, 11:44 AM   #51
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After seeing a bad accident last week (unconsious occupents trapped in a burning car) I am upgrading too. Thanks goes out to this post for educating me on what works, and what's worthless.

I was surprised at the accident. Many people had stopped, and an unbelieveable number of people/truckers were throwing extinguishers to those helping. I bet there were 20+ empty 2.5 pounders and a few larger ones (from truckers) laying spent on the ground. Did not seem to help one bit. I was driving the company car, and unfortunately don't carry an extinguisher in it. Looks like I'll be buying 2 this weekend.
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Unread 10-17-2008, 01:29 PM   #52
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I've seen that new gel that some of the fire departments are using. I wonder if that stuff is being sold to civilians yet. I saw the guy dunk his arm in the stuff and then they lit his arm on fire and not one bit of him was burned. Then they used it on a small fire and it was out in seconds.
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Unread 10-17-2008, 01:37 PM   #53
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Jerry, Where did you get that clamp mount? I haven't been able to find anything like it.

I agree, a good fire extinguisher is an obsolute necessity on the trail, but preventative care goes a long way too. Things like a CLEAN engine bay, free from oil leaks, oil residue, etc would really do wonders to prevent a small fire from getting out of hand quickly. After seeing that video, the first thing I did was clean up the residual oil from an intake leak.

What else is out there for PREVENTATIVE care, minimizing the risk of a fire getting out of control?
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Unread 10-17-2008, 01:40 PM   #54
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There is always inspecting your fuel lines and replacing any cracking sections.

Another good one is checking out any areas where wires may be chafing, such as through bulkheads where the grommet is not there or is there but is worn. I see a lot of winch cables that enter the engine compartment in dicey ways that will eventually rub the insulation off and will cause 400 amp arcing/burning situations. Don't forget that arcs like that are hotter than the surface of the sun!
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Unread 10-18-2008, 02:47 PM   #55
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Good info Johnny.Thanks for the education on extinquisher's.
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Unread 10-19-2008, 04:57 PM   #56
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Thanks to this thread I just ordered one of these:


Good Choice. That 5lb Purple K is like having 2 5lb Dry Chem extinguishers.

Ya. They say it only takes like 4-6 minutes for a fire to get out of control. Portable extinguishers are meant to nip it in the butt before it's too late.
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Unread 10-19-2008, 05:28 PM   #57
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I checked out Grainger but they had a decent selection of average extinguishers. Then I found this place...

http://www.labsafety.com/store/Publi...-S-18841068521
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Unread 10-19-2008, 05:54 PM   #58
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I carry two, a standard dry chem for fires I come across...And a CO2 just in case the jeep catches fire.
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it bolted right up, except one bolt but i didn't need it anyway
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Unread 11-21-2008, 06:27 AM   #59
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Ok well I service and install all types of Fire Extinguishers and Suppression systems. Basically a 2.5 lb ABC extinguisher is useless and do not pass any minimum Fire Codes. It's nice cause its small but thats about it. Minimum 5lb ABC but I would recommend a 10lb if you have the room. Any make sure there is a hose with the extinguisher cause these things don't work upside down or side ways. With a hose you can stick it in, point it up kind of thing. If you got an engine fire you don't want open the hood anyways right away. You want to just get the hose in there and fire the extinguisher off.
BC Fire Extinguishers are more effective on Flammable Liquids than ABC extinguishers
Purple K Extinguishers are more effective than BC extinguishers
Halon is expensive and is to be taken out of service when inspected and can't be recharged so don't bother. This includes 1211, and 1301. The military are the only ones aloud to use this stuff.
There are Halon replacement clean agents out there. But these are more for Computer and Electronic equipment. These are not effective on fires outside and in low temperature. It takes the oxygen out of the air. Lots of that outside. And $$$$
If ABC powdered extinguishers are fired in an engine and it gets into the intake it will pretty much destroy your engine. There is metal in the powder than adheres to any hot surface. Not good for engines
BC powder is pretty much baking soda with additives in it to prevent caking
Look for the Rating on the fire extinguisher. It's more important than size.
Example a 2.5 ABC rating is 1A10BC. A 5lb ABC is 4A40BC
This means the 5lb is 3 times more effective at fighting Wood fires, 40 times more effective fighting Flammable liquids.
Oh and Don't buy a cheap plastic handled, plastic valve Extinguisher. Your rig is worth a lot of money. Get one worth with a Metal handle and internals. Amerex and Flag and Sentry are all quality Extinguishers.
Don't worry about the Powder packing or caking. Powders back in the 70's-80's did this. The new powders are silicones(spelling?). Basically silicone is added to prevent this. Turning of an extinguisher and hammering on it is actually bad for the extinguisher and it can clog the syphon tube.
If you fire even a small amount of powder out of the extinguisher it needs to be recharged. It won't reseal.
Oh and Look at the date on the Extinguisher. It should be stamped on the bottom or on the Decal somewhere. Extinguishers should be recharged every 6 years no matter what.
As for suppression systems, I wouldn't bother. The off-road systems would be the only thing I would put on a Jeep. Any there's not enough room for a 25-30lb cylinder and you would have to get it serviced every year to make sure everything is proper. Halotron or Clean agent system would be useless in the winter if your in a cold climate.

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Great answer Johnny !!! Keep up the good work! Although I must say I am slightly embarrassed as there are many firefighters who answered this thread and could not come up with this answer.

2.5 lb extinguisher = paperweight
5 lb extinguisher = feel good and will handle the incipient stage of a Jeep fire
10lb extinguisher = if you do any off roading this is the one you want....remember your Jeep fire could be the cause of the big wildfire this season.


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Unread 11-21-2008, 08:49 AM   #60
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Jerry, Where did you get that clamp mount? I haven't been able to find anything like it.
I found it at a combination welding supply and industrial safety supply store years ago that had a big selection of fire extinguishers meant for commerical businesses. For sure you won't find that style of mount at a Home Depot or regular hardware store.

And Obxresq, I'm thinking of adding a 10# on top of my 5#. Since the back seat is permanently gone, I have all kinds of places to mount it. Thanks for that idea to carry a ten pounder, I think it's a good one.
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