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Unread 04-19-2013, 10:36 PM   #1
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Did Some Winch Research

I did a little research into winches tonight and a couple of things stuck-out.
  1. I could not find full specs for the Quadratec winch and the numbers they posted were for 8000# pull, not full capacity.
  2. Superwinch has a really fast 0 pull but the slowest full capacity pull
  3. The Warn cti has an incredibly strong pull with 4 wraps on the drum at 77.9% of capacity, while both Superwinch and Engo where under 60% of capacity.
  4. The price jump from the Warn Zeon to the cti gets you faster line speeds, higher pull power with lower amp draw at 4 wraps at a lower weight.

I was planning on getting a Talon winch for my JKUR based on the performance of the EP9.5i I have on my LJ. Now that I look at the numbers, the line speed at capacity, plus the pull strength at 4 warps has me looking hard at the Warn cti. Big question, is it worth 400 bucks more?

I probably average 30 pull or more a year. Very few of my pulls or others I have watched happen with only one warp on the drum so I keep coming back to that 77.9% pull strength at 4 warps.

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Unread 04-19-2013, 10:55 PM   #2
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So before purchasing the ENGO, are the stats good?
New to the winch world
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Unread 04-19-2013, 11:16 PM   #3
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It does have good line speeds and low amp draws. There is drop off in pull power with 4 wraps, but you got a TJ not a heavy JK 4 dr. There are many happy user on the forums.

I'm not sure of the build quality or longevity, I've never seen one. If you only wheel a few times a year and there are always other jeepers around with winches I wouldn't worry about it. I use my winch a lot and often go with just my daughters who like to get stuck so I'll stick with Warn or Superwinch.
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06 LJ Rubicon: mine - Rokmen full up-armor, 8 adjustable CAs, front bumper, sliders, corners, Shrockworks rear bumper, 3" AEV/BDS lift, Currie HD stearing and Antirock, MT/r - k 35x12.5, SuperWinch, MC Overlines, York OBA
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Unread 04-19-2013, 11:24 PM   #4
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I've got no complaints with my Superwinch EPi 9.0: Rated at 9,000 lbs, amp draw at capacity: 350, line speed at capacity 6.4 fpm, 0 pull speed: 44 fpm at 55 amps. Weight with steel line: 95 lbs.
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Unread 04-19-2013, 11:29 PM   #5
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It does have good line speeds and low amp draws. There is drop off in pull power with 4 wraps, but you got a TJ not a heavy JK 4 dr. There are many happy user on the forums.

I'm not sure of the build quality or longevity, I've never seen one. If you only wheel a few times a year and there are always other jeepers around with winches I wouldn't worry about it. I use my winch a lot and often go with just my daughters who like to get stuck so I'll stick with Warn or Superwinch.
Thanks Filthy. I know I got stuck hardcore yesterday, and my buddies smitty built came to be quite useful. Engo just seems to be in the right price range, and the YouTube videos seem to prove its worth.
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Unread 04-20-2013, 08:08 AM   #6
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I've got no complaints with my Superwinch EPi 9.0: Rated at 9,000 lbs, amp draw at capacity: 350, line speed at capacity 6.4 fpm, 0 pull speed: 44 fpm at 55 amps. Weight with steel line: 95 lbs.
that's the one on my LJ I've abused it hard and it still works great.
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Unread 04-20-2013, 08:12 AM   #7
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No complaints with my Superwinch LP10000. Dunked in water and frozen, pressure washed, 2 hours of constant winching up a 30* incline with no assist from the motor. Still runs perfect.
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Unread 04-20-2013, 08:44 AM   #8
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I have a rookie question for anyone on winches?

What about the cheapie winches from Harbor Freight? I know you get what you pay for, but I won't need a winch very often. I'm assuming even a cheap winch will last for more than say 10 - 20 uses. That would probably be 10 - 20 more times than I would need it.

I'm not an extreme offroader. Don't plan on putting my jeep in that position.

Any comments....which cheap winches are the best? When I say cheap, I mean under 500.00.

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Unread 04-20-2013, 08:49 AM   #9
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No complaints with my Superwinch LP10000. Dunked in water and frozen, pressure washed, 2 hours of constant winching up a 30* incline with no assist from the motor. Still runs perfect.

My Warn XD-9000I, I do admit to a heavy draw from it, prolly won't run 15 minutes at a full weight pull without starting worries or motor assist(or burning up and the winch carries a heavy duty rating).
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Unread 04-20-2013, 09:06 AM   #10
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What about the cheapie winches from Harbor Freight? I know you get what you pay for, but I won't need a winch very often. I'm assuming even a cheap winch will last for more than say 10 - 20 uses. That would probably be 10 - 20 more times than I would need it.

I'm not an extreme offroader. Don't plan on putting my jeep in that position.

Any comments....which cheap winches are the best? When I say cheap, I mean under 500.00.

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Depends on the definition of extreme to me extreme has a high pucker factor and most times I use a winch are mild wheeling in slippery or muddy places. Like stuck in a mud hole or unable to get up a wet slippery hill.

That said, with all I've read I'd go with Engo long before a HF or Quadratec.
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98 TJ: Daugher 2 - 4.0L, 5spd, D44 rear
06 LJ Rubicon: mine - Rokmen full up-armor, 8 adjustable CAs, front bumper, sliders, corners, Shrockworks rear bumper, 3" AEV/BDS lift, Currie HD stearing and Antirock, MT/r - k 35x12.5, SuperWinch, MC Overlines, York OBA
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Unread 04-20-2013, 10:33 AM   #11
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My Warn XD-9000I, I do admit to a heavy draw from it, prolly won't run 15 minutes at a full weight pull without starting worries or motor assist(or burning up and the winch carries a heavy duty rating).
Sorry. I did have it running (with a good battery), I meant that there was nothing other than the winch pulling me up since I had snapped a driveshaft. Basically winch up, find the next anchor point, winch up, repeat.
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Unread 04-20-2013, 10:56 AM   #12
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Go with a MileMarker hydraulic winch... then you can pull all you want with no issues. Mine has worked perfectly for 7 years with not one failure or slowdown.
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Go with a MileMarker hydraulic winch... then you can pull all you want with no issues. Mine has worked perfectly for 7 years with not one failure or slowdown.
I would have to give the thumbsup to that MM hydraulic winch. Don't have one, but do have a MM 9500 electric and it has been a great winch. And, using my 15,000 Warn hydraulic winch shows the difference between an electric and a hydraulic. The hydraulic operates effortlessly pull after pull not working up a sweat on the hardest pulls. And, the stats on that MM H 10.5 are pretty good. Should have considered it when I built the XJ.
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Unread 04-20-2013, 09:00 PM   #14
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There are three things I want from my winch
#1 dependable.
#2 fast
#3 replacement parts
I know #1 and #3 kind of offset each other but lets face it, parts break and wear out.
#2 People say hey if I am stuck I am not in a hurry.
Alot of the time you are using a winch it is to get up over a obsticle that your Jeep is not up to the challange of getting over, or maybe you just feel better having the winch cable attached.
I do not want to be driving over the cable or waiting for the winch to catch up.
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Unread 04-21-2013, 10:51 AM   #15
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Go with a MileMarker hydraulic winch... then you can pull all you want with no issues. Mine has worked perfectly for 7 years with not one failure or slowdown.
Two problems with Milemarker's hydraulic winch that would not make it a good choice for me personally... 1) It won't work unless the engine can be started. I have had to winch my TJ three times when the engine couldn't be started so I was happy to have an electric winch. Yes I was able to start the engine off my single battery after finally getting the engine where it could be started so no, the amount of winching I did without the engine running didn't drain the battery. 2) A hydraulic winch is ungodly slow. Many new offroaders would say who cares if the winch is slow but there are many times you need to also drive/steer the Jeep to assist the winch. I had to do that 3 weeks ago while struggling up a very tough rock water fall climb. Only an electric winch will be able to keep up during that type of use without the winch line snarling when your Jeep's forward progress under its own power outruns the winch. Which is why line speed is a factor for many, it certainly is for me.

I actually won a brand-new 2-speed Milemarker 10,500 lb. capacity winch years ago at a 4x4 event. Without a second thought, I sold it in favor of my well used Warn HS-9500i winch.
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