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Unread 05-20-2011, 12:28 PM   #1
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Cherokee vs Bronco and the unibody

Hello;

I'm a new addition to the offroad, jeep community and I have a 2001 WJ and its got all the basics to go wheeling (4" IRO lift, MX-6 shocks and upgraded sway bars. 32" BFG All Terrains on 17" wheels with the stock straight axle and gears) but family/friends all have custom built Broncos with unimogs, Dana 44s, lifted 7"+, etc... and they all tell me to get rid of the cherokee and get a bronco because cherokeees' are primarily unibody and cost too much to convert to full frame. Is this something every jeep owner worries about when they go flexing or wheeling? I plan to upgrade my axle and gears, but I was wondering if its even worth it now if I want to keep up and not twist my body.

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Unread 05-20-2011, 12:37 PM   #2
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I'd simply strengthen the unibody frame if you are really worried about it.
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Unread 05-20-2011, 12:38 PM   #3
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you're not gonna twist up a cherokee unless you roll it or take the hatch off. don't worry about it.
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Unread 05-20-2011, 12:44 PM   #4
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If you ask me your friends don't know much about Jeeps anyways...So I wouldn't listen to them if they talk about Jeeps.
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i see where this is going...
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Unread 05-20-2011, 12:53 PM   #6
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i see where this is going...
I told you NOT to post that pic.

















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Unread 05-20-2011, 01:05 PM   #7
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If you ask me your friends don't know much about Jeeps anyways...So I wouldn't listen to them if they talk about Jeeps.
I just thought it was something to worry about because I knew someone who had a cherokee and after a day of crawling, he couldn't shut his doors for 2 weeks. haha.
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Unread 05-20-2011, 01:07 PM   #8
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I just thought it was something to worry about because I knew someone who had a cherokee and after a day of crawling, he couldn't shut his doors for 2 weeks. haha.
Hmm weird. But no the WJ unibody is actually VERY strong. I wheeled doorless a few weeks ago with no issues.
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Unread 05-20-2011, 01:31 PM   #9
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Hello;

I'm a new addition to the offroad, jeep community and I have a 2001 WJ and its got all the basics to go wheeling (4" IRO lift, MX-6 shocks and upgraded sway bars. 32" BFG All Terrains on 17" wheels with the stock straight axle and gears) but family/friends all have custom built Broncos with unimogs, Dana 44s, lifted 7"+, etc... and they all tell me to get rid of the cherokee and get a bronco because cherokeees' are primarily unibody and cost too much to convert to full frame. Is this something every jeep owner worries about when they go flexing or wheeling? I plan to upgrade my axle and gears, but I was wondering if its even worth it now if I want to keep up and not twist my body.
I would choose a Bronco (solid front axle smaller one) any day, any time, without any hesitation, over a grand or Cherokee to build big for off-road. I wouldn't even need a second to think about it. I know this is a jeep board but, I wouldn't want to build a unibody if I planned on keeping it for an extended period of time or going big.

Now if you are talking about Grand or Cherokee for a moderate build and wanting haul around the family capabilities and not planning on keep it for decades then a Grand or Cherokee could be a good choice.
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Unread 05-20-2011, 02:12 PM   #10
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double post, disregard.
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I would choose a Bronco (solid front axle smaller one) any day, any time, without any hesitation, over a grand or Cherokee to build big for off-road. I wouldn't even need a second to think about it. I know this is a jeep board but, I wouldn't want to build a unibody if I planned on keeping it for an extended period of time or going big.

Now if you are talking about Grand or Cherokee for a moderate build and wanting haul around the family capabilities and not planning on keep it for decades then a Grand or Cherokee could be a good choice.
I was afraid of this answer! lol.
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Unread 05-20-2011, 03:14 PM   #12
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i guess one would have to ask how big are you building it, and what kind of offroading do you plan on doing? also i hope they are talking about the bronco II (smaller one) not the bronco.
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Unread 05-20-2011, 03:23 PM   #13
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i guess one would have to ask how big are you building it, and what kind of offroading do you plan on doing? also i hope they are talking about the bronco II (smaller one) not the bronco.
This bronco yes:



When they had the twin I beam suspension no for building and dana 44 in a full size bronco might not be a good idea.
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Unread 05-21-2011, 09:48 AM   #14
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The average life of a Cherokee abused by heavy wheeling seems to range between 1 trip and 2 years before the unibody needs significant straightening/reinforcement or replacement.

You have choices; stick the body on good frame (not expensive or particularly hard to do if you pick the right scrap yard frame (four linking the frame before you stick the body on it is a bit more complex/expensive), make a frame (again you will have to plan the four link setup), replace the body every couple of years, go to a different vehicle that has a frame and a decent suspension (broncos do not have a good stock suspension in my experience) or don't wheel trails where you will beat it to death.

During analysis (over beers) with a Cherokee fan/friend we decided that to do extreme wheeling he would want to;
Frame it,
Install links & coil overs,
Get decent axles (necessary even for very difficult trails) including gears and lockers
Do extensive body mods to enable the use of 40" tires (the current extreme trail standard in this area),
likely install an auto,
probably install an injected v-8,
install an aftermarket transfer case (StaK or Atlas II, alternatively he could try a mad rooster crawl box ahead of a heavy duty transfer case).
Then he would probably want a trailer and a diesel pickup to haul it to the trails.

Note; almost everything except the frame install would have to be done to nearly any vehicle he could select (we did not consider unimogs).

Enjoy!
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Unread 05-21-2011, 09:56 AM   #15
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The wj unibody is actually very strong, much stronger than the xjs which could use some reinforcement. I have an xj, and with my front and rear bumpers, belly pan skid, and sliders, ill be just fine, but that doesn't mean ill never do stiffeners.

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