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Unread 08-21-2013, 06:41 PM   #46
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My point was that steel cable can take a lot more abuse than synthetic.
As long as the abuse doesn't include exceeding the line's breaking strength.

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Unread 08-21-2013, 06:41 PM   #47
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Back in 05 I had to pull wire rope up the side of a mountain trail at 12,000ft through 2-3' of snow. That's when I decided to go with synthetic rope.

It doesn't see much UV and works as well as the day I bought it...

The CC used on the winter roads in Colo. is not that rope's friend either.
My 8274 is 36+ years old, been rebuilt by me twice(didn't need it, just wanted to).
I'm still using the same 'rope' that was on it the day it was delivered.
This Warn #8274 winch has seen heavy use. NO abuse.
Can buy 150' of 5/16" dia. certified steel cable, for much less than the synthetic.
HINT to long steel cable life. Drown the spooled cable with silicon spray about once a year.
VERY valid point about drag'n cable. I swear it gains weight.
How many feet do you have on that spool?
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Unread 08-21-2013, 06:48 PM   #48
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I live next door to a Tow Boat US guy with several boats that do recoveries every day and they only run synthetic rope, if its good enough for them... As for the winch I like my Warn XD9000i just fine, got it used and partially dissassembled for $280, threw probably $40 in parts at it and it works like a champ.
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Unread 08-21-2013, 06:52 PM   #49
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I use Dyneema fiber ropes. Which chemicals are damaging to them?

Just so you know, you can soak my lines in hydrochloric acid for 5000 hours with no perceptible degradation in tensile strength. It is also supremely resistant to UV degradation.

If you want to educate yourself for next time-

http://www.mennensbelgium.be/product...ce_2008_gb.pdf

I wonder how much steel cable this guy is slinging around?

My son, is a heavy lift helo pilot working for SCE. I'll ask what he uses.
BTW, the hydro acid you spoke of in that test, was only 10%.
Do you have a retail source for the syn rope?
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Unread 08-21-2013, 07:17 PM   #50
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The CC used on the winter roads in Colo. is not that rope's friend either.
I wouldn't think it'd be worse than salt water?



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Can buy 150' of 5/16" dia. certified steel cable, for much less than the synthetic.
I'll never run steel rope again.

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VERY valid point about drag'n cable. I swear it gains weight.
How many feet do you have on that spool?
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I know it does!

125ft and a few straps in the bag.

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I havent heard about it. Ive seen it. Synthetic lines will dry rot over time. Some companies put out better products than others but yes they will and if they do dry rot then under enough stress they will snap.
Have you ever had/used synthetic rope or a winch?
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Unread 08-21-2013, 07:28 PM   #51
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Wonder what the in service life is, of that rope on the tug?
Wouldn't mine have'n a 100' or so length of syn rope, as a winch cable 'extension' that I can keep in a bag.
BTW, my son sez they only use steel cable because the unloaded syn rope goes crazy in the rotorwash even when weighted. The steel cable just 'hangs'.
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Unread 08-21-2013, 07:54 PM   #52
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How did this go from winches to an argument about steel vs synthetic? Oh I know Slackjaw showed up lol.

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Unread 08-21-2013, 07:56 PM   #53
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More my fault..........
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How did this go from winches to an argument about steel vs synthetic?
Because it's a winch thread on JF!
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Wouldn't mine have'n a 100' or so length of syn rope, as a winch cable 'extension' that I can keep in a bag.
You can put the same length/diameter synthetic rope on as the steel rope that you have. Extensions do come in handy, synthetic rope is very easy to store compared to wire rope...
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How did this go from winches to an argument about steel vs synthetic? Oh I know Slackjaw showed up lol.
Lol

Speaking of dragging cable, how well that syn hold up against the rocks, guy?
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I like my Ramsey rep 9500. Non integrated selenoids witch I like for simplicity. Easy to repair or jump out if you need to in a jam. Got mine under $500 shipped from quadratec
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My son, is a heavy lift helo pilot working for SCE. I'll ask what he uses.
BTW, the hydro acid you spoke of in that test, was only 10%.
Do you have a retail source for the syn rope?
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Only 10% yes, but for 5000 hours. Do you have anything else on your rig that will withstand that dilution for that many hours?

I use Viking for several reasons, first and foremost is they are great folks who I became friends with after using their products.
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Lol

Speaking of dragging cable, how well that syn hold up against the rocks, guy?
Doesn't matter. The first rule of recovery is to protect and set your rigging in such a manner that it remains viable and undamaged. That means you don't drag your steel cable over rocks either.
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I like my Ramsey rep 9500. Non integrated selenoids witch I like for simplicity. Easy to repair or jump out if you need to in a jam. Got mine under $500 shipped from quadratec
Neither here nor there, but integrated solenoids just means they incorporated a little aluminum box on top of the winch to house the same solenoids that are in the ugly thing hanging off the side of the non integrated versions. Not really any more or less simple once you've taken both apart.
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