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Unread 08-21-2013, 01:55 PM   #16
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Man a lot of misinformation in here.

OP, how many times do you wheel? How many times do you find you getting stuck or friends getting stuck? What type of terrain do you wheel? Whats your budget?

I've been around several winches and have had two myself, so here is from what I've seen.

I was given a cheap Chicago (Harbor Frieght) 10,000lb winch. It was slow and loud. I mean slow. But it worked every time and pulled whatever I needed.

I bought a used Warn (model number in my Sig) from a friend. I love the line speed, it's dependable, works like it should and given that I've used slow line speed winches, I'd prefer a faster winch. The Warn also doesn't heat up as much as the Chicago did.

I've seen the Smittybilt Winch in action numerous times on two different vehicles. They work like they should and I saw one failure while winching. However I also saw a Warn 8274 failure on a cold snowy night before. Solenoid went out in it.

All mechanical things will break eventually. I'd buy a used Warn again in a heart beat. I'd also look into a SuperWinch as the one I saw in person, I liked the line speed as well.

Pick a winch to fit your budget, goals and use. Also remember you'll need other recovery gear, snatch blocks, tree saver, d-rings, chains, etc etc.

I use a steel cable right now but much rather prefer a synthetic line. The whole safety thing is big for me. With my steel cable I have a ARB blanket I put over top to dampen any breakage force and I make others stand away. I'll switch lines eventually.

I also prefer a Integrated Solenoid type winch.

I wouldn't cheap out on a winch though, I wouldn't by Warns cheaper line, I wouldn't buy SuperWinch cheaper line. Smittybilt I'm so so on them, they work but the one failure I saw and from hearing others on the trail report failures I wouldn't run one. But a winch is better than no winch. Look for a nice used Warn before buying a cheaper one if you can help it.

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Unread 08-21-2013, 01:59 PM   #17
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Where did you hear this about synthetic line?
I contacted Superwinch about using synthetic line on my Tigershark 9500. They said because the load holding brake is inside the drum, that the drum would heat up and could possibly melt the synthetic line while powering the winch out under load. I then contacted Masterpull. Masterpull said their basic line with the Kevlar heat guard would be fine.
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Unread 08-21-2013, 02:02 PM   #18
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Where did you hear this about synthetic line?
I havent heard about it. Ive seen it. Synthetic lines will dry rot over time. Some companies put out better products than others but yes they will and if they do dry rot then under enough stress they will snap. Im not saying you cant snap a steel cable but chances of that are slim to none and it usually happens if the cable is damaged.
Im not an advocate of steel lines. Synthetic is great. You can get away with not maintaining them but they will only last so long. U can get away with not changing ur oil for thousands of miles after it is due and ur engine still runs.....is it a good idea?
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Unread 08-21-2013, 02:03 PM   #19
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I contacted Superwinch about using synthetic line on my Tigershark 9500. They said because the load holding brake is inside the drum, that the drum would heat up and could possibly melt the synthetic line while powering the winch out under load. I then contacted Masterpull. Masterpull said their basic line with the Kevlar heat guard would be fine.
And yes..exactly.

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Unread 08-21-2013, 02:05 PM   #20
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And yes..exactly.

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But, how many people will actually use their winches in this manner? I doubt many will be powering out under load frequently enough to cause an issue, and like the post you quoted said it's a non-issue with a heat guard.
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Unread 08-21-2013, 02:09 PM   #21
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But, how many people will actually use their winches in this manner? I doubt many will be powering out under load frequently enough to cause an issue, and like the post you quoted said it's a non-issue with a heat guard.
U could get away with running synthetic on a tigershark series ...its all up to you if you want to do what recommended by the manufacturer. I wouldnt do heavy winching with it tho

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U could get away with running synthetic on a tigershark series ...its all up to you if you want to do what recommended by the manufacturer. I wouldnt do heavy winching with it tho

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Most winches have the brake in the drum, not just the tigershark...
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Most winches have the brake in the drum, not just the tigershark...
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I havent heard about it. Ive seen it. Synthetic lines will dry rot over time. Some companies put out better products than others but yes they will and if they do dry rot then under enough stress they will snap. Im not saying you cant snap a steel cable but chances of that are slim to none and it usually happens if the cable is damaged.
Im not an advocate of steel lines. Synthetic is great. You can get away with not maintaining them but they will only last so long. U can get away with not changing ur oil for thousands of miles after it is due and ur engine still runs.....is it a good idea?
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Synthetic line can snap, yes. In almost all cases that it does though does it have anything to do with "dry rot" or "heat"? Nope.
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So then you must know that all "heavy winching" isn't what causes the drum to heat up and cause issues, so telling people it's not OK to do so would be incorrect. Powering out under load is what people need to watch out for when using synthetic rope.
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Synthetic line can snap, yes. In almost all cases that it does though does it have anything to do with "dry rot" or "heat"? Nope.
what does it have to do with then?
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what does it have to do with then?
Abrasions from use
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Abrasions from use
that's what I thought. I've seen a steel cable cut sandstone before
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i'm also on jeep number 25... i'm probably forgetting some to be honest.
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