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post #34651 of 40341 Old 10-28-2013, 03:18 PM
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My understanding on welding a truss (No experience just book/research on the process) is that you weld an inch or 2 then move to the other side of that tube and come back an inch then go to the other side of the tube and same process. About 30 minutes between sessions to let it cool and you're good.
The point is that there is nothing you can do to stop the weld from moving metal. The only way is to straighten it after the welding is done, or do the exact same amount of weld on the opposite side to pull it back straight.

Ya'll should watch them put new treads on a dozer track sometime.


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The point is that there is nothing you can do to stop the weld from moving metal. The only way is to straighten it after the welding is done, or do the exact same amount of weld on the opposite side to pull it back straight.

Ya'll should watch them put new treads on a dozer track sometime.
Using a squirt welder to weld new bars on the track plates fun. Talk about laying down some metal in a hurry.
Straightening 1" or thicker plates by welding on the back side of the plate is a pretty nifty activity also

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do the exact same amount of weld on the opposite side to pull it back straight.
exactly my point
you cant stop metal from warping, but you can control it. Just like you cant stop a woman from cheating but you can smack that ho down... with a mask on of course... no one wants a record.... just say'n
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exactly my point
you cant stop metal from warping, but you can control it. Just like you cant stop a woman from cheating but you can smack that ho down... with a mask on of course... no one wants a record.... just say'n
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exactly my point
you cant stop metal from warping, but you can control it. Just like you cant stop a woman from cheating but you can smack that ho down... with a mask on of course... no one wants a record.... just say'n
If that is exactly your point then it is the same as mine. It matters not how much weld you run at one time because each weld will still pull or distort the metal exactly the same amount so it doesn't matter if he welds 2" or 2', the distortion will be the same.

This is simple to prove. If you have a HP 30 and would like a truss like his on it, fetch it all up, prep it for welding and bring it to me. I'll weld it all in one shot for free and if it distorts 1/16" more than Taylor's has, I'll get you a new housing, buy you a new truss, and let you weld it up however you like.

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The retardedness regarding the regurgitated interweb "welding facts" I find amusing. Very amusing...Ever heard of weld creep? No, you most certainly haven't.


Everyone seems to claim they're no welding expert, yet continue to speak as one. I've been doing this 20 years this coming February, and I'm still no expert. I've been certified in D1.1, D1.2, D1.6, D14.3, and D15.1, structural, holding tanks, pressure vessels, prototype weapons and weapons systems for the DOD, in most processes (you don't SMAW weld aluminum), and in all positions. What have you "experts" ever been certified in and done on a daily basis to put money in your pockets?


2" of weld and let it cool completely. Sure. Keep dreaming...Obviously you've never worked a pipeline, oil rig, production shop, job shop or OEM manufacturer. You wouldn't even pass the welder qualification test. Seems to me you've read crap on the interweb and bought into it...


Control your warping through skip welding here and there...only if you're a ****ing welding engineer genius. Computer programs now figure that **** out so that every part is right the first time, and every time after that. Anything less is a guess at best...


If you can properly explain to me a simple GMAW weld procedure, and what changes affect welding characteristics and properties I might listen...Bonus point for explaining anything difficult such as electrode chemistry, affects of reactive and non-reactive gasses and their different mix ratios and advantages and disadvantages with each, stickout and contact tip/nozzle length ratios, as well as metal transfer modes and deposition rates and anything else you happen to know. And lets just stick with mild steel for now. We can get into stainless steels and aluminum alloys if you wish at a later time. GTAW, SMAW, SAW, and CAC if you so desire as well.


Otherwise STFU and listen to Blaine as he knows what he speaks. And so do I.


If you want to learn, listen up. Otherwise go pound sand and continue to be a wanna be welder.


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If that is exactly your point then it is the same as mine. It matters not how much weld you run at one time because each weld will still pull or distort the metal exactly the same amount so it doesn't matter if he welds 2" or 2', the distortion will be the same.

This is simple to prove. If you have a HP 30 and would like a truss like his on it, fetch it all up, prep it for welding and bring it to me. I'll weld it all in one shot for free and if it distorts 1/16" more than Taylor's has, I'll get you a new housing, buy you a new truss, and let you weld it up however you like.
not true. You have to also control the heat. You should know this Blaine. Wet towel, 2 inch runs, then a cool down, whatever the case, if you sit there and run a 1 ft weld on a 1 ft piece of metal with out taking the heat into consideration you WILL warp it. If you want to play stats, yes ALL metal will warp when you weld on it. How much is up to the welder. Thinner the metal the easier to warp. No pissing contest. Prove your angle all you want I wont continuously weld on stuff esp if its a long run. Start on one end go about 1/8th down w/o using a full height bead. Stop. Go to the other side run 1/8th down. stop go to the middle run a 1/8th run. stop. let it cool. Then come back and run a long bead. Try tig welding paper thin Al w/o burning through or warping. When you do, you'll understand heat transfer. That or snatching the pebble from my hand.
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not true. You have to also control the heat. You should know this Blaine. Wet towel, 2 inch runs, then a cool down, whatever the case, if you sit there and run a 1 ft weld on a 1 ft piece of metal with out taking the heat into consideration you WILL warp it. If you want to play stats, yes ALL metal will warp when you weld on it. How much is up to the welder. Thinner the metal the easier to warp. No pissing contest. Prove your angle all you want I wont continuously weld on stuff esp if its a long run. Start on one end go about 1/8th down w/o using a full height bead. Stop. Go to the other side run 1/8th down. stop go to the middle run a 1/8th run. stop. let it cool. Then come back and run a long bead. Try tig welding paper thin Al w/o burning through or warping. When you do, you'll understand heat transfer. That or snatching the pebble from my hand.
Wet towel quenching a weld...genius.

Go take a metallurgy class...

Wet towels must be some sort of industry standard I've somehow missed the last 19 years.

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The retardedness regarding the regurgitated interweb "welding facts" I find amusing. Very amusing...Ever heard of weld creep? No, you most certainly haven't.


Everyone seems to claim they're no welding expert, yet continue to speak as one. I've been doing this 20 years this coming February, and I'm still no expert. I've been certified in D1.1, D1.2, D1.6, D14.3, and D15.1, structural, holding tanks, pressure vessels, prototype weapons and weapons systems for the DOD, in most processes (you don't SMAW weld aluminum), and in all positions. What have you "experts" ever been certified in and done on a daily basis to put money in your pockets?


2" of weld and let it cool completely. Sure. Keep dreaming...Obviously you've never worked a pipeline, oil rig, production shop, job shop or OEM manufacturer. You wouldn't even pass the welder qualification test. Seems to me you've read crap on the interweb and bought into it...


Control your warping through skip welding here and there...only if you're a ****ing welding engineer genius. Computer programs now figure that **** out so that every part is right the first time, and every time after that. Anything less is a guess at best...


If you can properly explain to me a simple GMAW weld procedure, and what changes affect welding characteristics and properties I might listen...Bonus point for explaining anything difficult such as electrode chemistry, affects of reactive and non-reactive gasses and their different mix ratios and advantages and disadvantages with each, stickout and contact tip/nozzle length ratios, as well as metal transfer modes and deposition rates and anything else you happen to know. And lets just stick with mild steel for now. We can get into stainless steels and aluminum alloys if you wish at a later time. GTAW, SMAW, SAW, and CAC if you so desire as well.


Otherwise STFU and listen to Blaine as he knows what he speaks. And so do I.


If you want to learn, listen up. Otherwise go pound sand and continue to be a wanna be welder.


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I'm a bit confused was it me you were trying to talk **** to?
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Dude, you realize we're talking about putting one piece of metal onto another piece of metal FOR A JEEP right?

Also, did you really sign up for this site just to settle an internet debate?

All about that unibody life.
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Wet towel quenching a weld...genius.

Go take a metallurgy class...

Wet towels must be some sort of industry standard I've somehow missed the last 19 years.

Allen
Pretty sure that his posts will either get pulled or he'll just have an aneurism. That pipe licking attitude belongs on Pirate. I kinda like to think of the SD forum as a bunch of family members and pretty sure no one talks to ea other like that around here. Go build your pipes. Towel quenching, yeah I'll continue to do it. Havent had a weld fail on me in 15 yrs of abuse with "genius" welding. Have you ever laid on your back on a bunch of rocks and ants and had to do a trail weld with 3 batteries and only one chance? God I hate people who act all mighty. Keep welding that web........ As much as I wanna banter and piss back at you I'll keep it mellow because after all, fools like you only want attention via places like this. Only way they can take out there frustrations from their spouse beating them down all day apparently.
How did this turn into a simple truss weld job to a bunch of who's better at something. Maybe your the best damn welder I'd ever meet. Probably not though. Blaine, from what I hear is a good figure outter and that's cool. Being humble and being a prick are much like being gifted and being a retard. Which one are you?
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