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Unread 04-13-2010, 09:03 AM   #18076
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Certainly do-able. Makes steering a challenge
So what all does it ruin when you weld them? I will eventually be switching out to the 8.8 and 4:10 front axle from a 4cyl so I don't think this is my permanent axle but it could be in there for the next year or so.

Will it effect my steering much when I am in 2 wheel drive? I assume it will be similar to the aussie but could be wrong.

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Unread 04-13-2010, 09:13 AM   #18077
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So what all does it ruin when you weld them? I will eventually be switching out to the 8.8 and 4:10 front axle from a 4cyl so I don't think this is my permanent axle but it could be in there for the next year or so.

Will it effect my steering much when I am in 2 wheel drive? I assume it will be similar to the aussie but could be wrong.
It messes with a lot because whenever you are not going in a perfectly straight line your tires are moving at different speeds. The tire on the inside of a corner is going slower than the outside because it is covering less distance. When you weld the spiders together it doesn't allow this to happen. Your tires will feel the brunt of the pain but it stresses that crap out of everything.

This video, regardless of age, is by far the best video to explain how differentials work.

YouTube - How Differential Gear works (BEST Tutorial)
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Unread 04-13-2010, 10:26 AM   #18078
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Welding the spiders is like having the posilok engaged and in 4wd with an Aussie., only ALL the time.
When you dirve a Jeep with an Aussie, posilok disengaged, and 2wd, you don't even know the Aussie is there. It receives it's input from the front drive shaft to engage itself. Driving in 2wd with the posilok dis-engaged it goes straight no problem. In 2wd with the posilok engaged it tends to wander also.
But if you weld the gears, it's in posi all the time, and will want to wander all over the lane on the street.
If you weld the spiders, you won't be able to flat tow it. First time you try to go around a corner it will want to go straight.
Just wait and get an Aussie if it's your DD.
I know Richie was talking about the same thing. Not a good idea.
Maybe weld the spiders in the rear d35 if you are hell bent on locking up the cheap way.
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Unread 04-13-2010, 10:39 AM   #18079
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that bit on the video with teh motor cycles is flippin RAD
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Unread 04-13-2010, 10:56 AM   #18080
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It messes with a lot because whenever you are not going in a perfectly straight line your tires are moving at different speeds. The tire on the inside of a corner is going slower than the outside because it is covering less distance. When you weld the spiders together it doesn't allow this to happen. Your tires will feel the brunt of the pain but it stresses that crap out of everything.

This video, regardless of age, is by far the best video to explain how differentials work.

YouTube - How Differential Gear works (BEST Tutorial)
Thanks for the info.

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Welding the spiders is like having the posilok engaged and in 4wd with an Aussie., only ALL the time.
When you dirve a Jeep with an Aussie, posilok disengaged, and 2wd, you don't even know the Aussie is there. It receives it's input from the front drive shaft to engage itself. Driving in 2wd with the posilok dis-engaged it goes straight no problem. In 2wd with the posilok engaged it tends to wander also.
But if you weld the gears, it's in posi all the time, and will want to wander all over the lane on the street.
If you weld the spiders, you won't be able to flat tow it. First time you try to go around a corner it will want to go straight.
Just wait and get an Aussie if it's your DD.
I know Richie was talking about the same thing. Not a good idea.
Maybe weld the spiders in the rear d35 if you are hell bent on locking up the cheap way.
Yeah I am not gonna weld mine but Rich is still set on doing his, maybe I can talk him out of it. I am trying to find a locker locally so far I found a lock rite but its 330 bucks and I want to stay at 250 or less so hopefully I can find someone with an aussie.
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Unread 04-13-2010, 11:01 AM   #18081
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Long intro, but that's a nice video Jason.

If you weld 'em, you'll wanna ensure that the vacuum disco is working well, or that you have another way to disco the axles (manual hubs, posi lock, etc) plus not a bad idea to disco the front drive shaft.

I experimented with what it would be like to have a front differential locked at all times. My set-up allows for me to do that. I'll try to explain....

First, you need to understand I run F&R ARB's, a twin stick Atlas, and manual hubs.

I first swapped the electrical connection between the front & rear solenoids of the ARB's so I could lock the front ARB prior to the rear & leave the rear open.

I then flipped on the ARB compressor, then turned on the rear locker switch (which is now the front switch since I swapped electrical connections) then I ensured that only 1 of my manual hubs were in the "free" position (the passenger side was free) while the driver side was not, and that my twin stick front drive shaft shifter was not engaged. Then I drove it like this.

The example above simulates having welded spider & side gears, and a vacuum disco in the 2wd position and close to/simular to a standard NP231's set-up.

It did drive sorta wierd from what I'm use to, especially in tight turns. Some feedback was there from what I'm use to. No overbinding or tires chirping due to the gears themself since the bind is released thru the manual hubs & I was in 2wd.

I would imagine that a stock set-up would drive about the same as my experimentation.

Would I recommend it - nope, but that's just me. It would be a PITA if you wanted to undo it.

If you wanna borrow my welder - I'll take pics.
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Unread 04-13-2010, 11:05 AM   #18082
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Thanks for trying it out but I have decided I would just grab a cheap locker and save the headache. Richie still wants me to weld his up but I will let him read some of this when he comes by.
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Unread 04-13-2010, 11:13 AM   #18083
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Thanks for trying it out but I have decided I would just grab a cheap locker and save the headache. Richie still wants me to weld his up but I will let him read some of this when he comes by.
He's not too old for a spanking is he?
Nevermind, he might like it.

Keep looking for that Aussie! We can install that puppy in two beers.
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Unread 04-13-2010, 11:29 AM   #18084
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He'll probably have better luck going North, maybe one of the 4WD shops near Riverside. San Diego sucks for parts.

But ya know, Jeff is at work right now and..............
if he orders from 4wheelparts and or 4wheel drive hardwares website he can have it shipped to his local 4wheelparts for pickup. Did this with my ARB compressor. got 4wheeldrive hardwares great price and picked it up the next day at my local 4wheelparts store.
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Unread 04-13-2010, 05:59 PM   #18085
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Thanks for trying it out but I have decided I would just grab a cheap locker and save the headache. Richie still wants me to weld his up but I will let him read some of this when he comes by.
Cool.

IIRC, I did that experiment (along with a bunch of others) ~2 years ago. So I already knew what the results of welding spiders and side gears would be like.
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Unread 04-14-2010, 11:29 AM   #18086
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Don't worry about getting a locker for this weekend. Too stressful.
Just make sure your tow hooks are on front and rear and are rated at 10K lbs or more. Several of us have winches and are anxious to use them.
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Unread 04-14-2010, 11:38 AM   #18087
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This video, regardless of age, is by far the best video to explain how differentials work.

that video was Awsome. I just emailed it to a bunch of friends, since me trying to explain it has yet to work with them.

Plus I finally learned why they make the pinion low on axles.
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Unread 04-16-2010, 07:44 PM   #18088
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Me and Eric went mountain biking yesterday at lake Hodges and ran into these guys mating:

My phone doesn't zoom and I wasn't inclined to get any closer.
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Unread 04-17-2010, 10:51 PM   #18089
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What kind of winch did Jerry Brandsford have?
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Unread 04-17-2010, 11:49 PM   #18090
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What kind of winch did Jerry Brandsford have?
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I know it was a Warn - but I'm not sure which model.

Here's a pic where we were on SunBonnet Pass - but I can't see the winch well enough to make a call.



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