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Unread 04-21-2010, 12:34 PM   #61
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^that is how I've always seen it done

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Unread 04-21-2010, 01:05 PM   #62
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I like how the Spotter isn't even looking at the Jeep, Tires, or Trail in the seconds before the rollover. He is looking downhill away from the Jeep as she goes more and more passenger.
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Unread 04-21-2010, 01:06 PM   #63
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Looks like the stock cage held up pretty well and the windshield didn't fold.
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Unread 04-22-2010, 09:43 PM   #64
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Unread 04-23-2010, 12:57 AM   #65
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And to keep direction clear from the spotter using words like "drivers" side or "passenger" side instead of "right" or "left". The driver does not know if you are calling out your right or the drivers right
In tense situations, driver and passenger don't work. You have to rely on base instinct and no one ever giving directions says to go down the road and take the first driver turn. It just doesn't work that way. If I send you down the road and tell you to take the first right, you ALWAYS know which way to turn.

Where this gets confusing is spotters have difficulty thinking backwards. A spotter needs to react instantly with a verbal command if the driver loses focus and takes their full attention away from his hand signals and eye contact.

It's also up to the spotter to maintain control of the situation. You have to make the judgement calls as to whether or not the vehicle is staying on line and fix the situation instantly in whatever manner you deem appropriate whether it's a loud bark, or a gentle whisper.

You also have to inspire confidence in the driver so they will let you take control. More than once, I have told the driver if they don't quit watching their damn tires I will walk away and leave them to their own devices.

They don't get two chances at that. More than one stubborn person has looked up the second time from their tires to see me walking away. As the spotter, you have a large responsibility to keep the rig and driver safe. You cannot do that without their full cooperation.

The first time they do it, I stop them, walk up to the door and chat with them quietly. How many tires can you see at a time? They typically reply with the answer of 1 or 2. I quietly remind them that I can see all four, plus the obstacle, plus the line, plus the way to keep them out of trouble. Then I try again. Rarely do I have to reiterate, but when I do, they had best listen or figure it out.

I also never force spotting on folks. Some just want to do it themselves and I'm more than happy to let them do it.

In JV, another aspect of it is if I spot you into a stuck, I will stack, tug, pull, or whatever to get you out. If you ignore my spotting and get yourself stuck, I get to sit there and razz you while you get yourself out. I get you in, I'll get you out. You get you in, you get you out.

I also use very distinct and simple hand signals which are laid out and discussed ahead of time. It's very basic. You turn the direction I point, no waving, no gesticulation, just turn until I quit pointing. When I quit pointing, you hold what you got until I direct you again which I will do when it's appropriate and not until.

I do that with one hand and then control forward or reverse with the other. Forward is a come hither wave, and a straight point back is reverse. I also use a gentle palm down to slow progress.

With two hands and simple directions I can walk anyone that pays attention through a literal minefield of big boulders with few if any mistakes.

Also, I don't let a driver keep moving while I find a better vantage point where they can see me. A pair of closed fists, palms toward the driver, will halt them while I reset my position. I never let a new driver move while I find a better spot. I don't want to get run over and I don't want them to ruin the line I have them on.
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Unread 04-23-2010, 01:49 AM   #66
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Where this gets confusing is spotters have difficulty thinking backwards. A spotter needs to react instantly with a verbal command if the driver loses focus and takes their full attention away from his hand signals and eye contact.
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I make a good spotter because I have trained myself to think backwards.
I work as a lighting and Audio technician for live entertainment; everything I do is in reverse. If im sitting in the audience, my left is actually Right, and vice versa, since all directions are based upon the stage. It is rare that I use my right as my right and left as my left. If I start talking to someone on stage and tell to go left, I had better mean their or "Stage" left, if not things get screwy.

Its easy to spot the people new at this; because when they are giving or taking direction they constantly confuse their right/left with Stage right/left. it always makes for a lot of confusion and takes more time. on the trail however it could be disastrous. as apparent in this video
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Unread 04-23-2010, 02:04 AM   #67
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i dont even know what to say, that spotter had like 10 whole seconds to signal and yell BREAK!!!! the driver was also a huge contrabution she should have deffinatly slowed it down to her comfort level and this probably would have never happend. 2 errors driver/spotter.
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Unread 04-23-2010, 08:45 AM   #68
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i dont even know what to say, that spotter had like 10 whole seconds to signal and yell BREAK!!!! the driver was also a huge contrabution she should have deffinatly slowed it down to her comfort level and this probably would have never happend. 2 errors driver/spotter.
The only points of blame I place on this particular driver is trusting an idiot spotter that clearly should not be spotting, and not wearing a seat belt. The first is forgivable, the second is not.
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Unread 04-23-2010, 09:38 AM   #69
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i dont even know what to say, that spotter had like 10 whole seconds to signal and yell BREAK!!!! the driver was also a huge contrabution she should have deffinatly slowed it down to her comfort level and this probably would have never happend. 2 errors driver/spotter.
BTW, the word is BRAKE..... it ended up being a BREAK, or a broke

Someone said that the spotter was her husband.... note to self; never let this idiot spot for anyone again.
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Unread 04-23-2010, 04:39 PM   #70
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I can't help but LOL (but do feel bad for the driver). Even if you totally trust your spotter, if loads of people yell "whoa", that means stop immediately!
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Unread 04-23-2010, 05:20 PM   #71
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The only points of blame I place on this particular driver is trusting an idiot spotter that clearly should not be spotting, and not wearing a seat belt. The first is forgivable, the second is not.
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Unread 04-23-2010, 10:48 PM   #72
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Unread 04-24-2010, 09:49 AM   #73
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Pretty sure they have websites for that.

Anyone know how the driver is recovering?
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I wont comment more on the video, we know the spotter, should have ran off somewhere and hid under a rock.

But my comment here is this, I watched both videos entirely. I hope she has a smooth recovery and all, but another big thing is getting people to have a clue what to do about the person after the incident. The 1st few minutes after the roll, she was not sitting in the seat, then she was (BIG NO NO) cause she wasnt wearing a seatbelt, people need to stabalize the patients c-spine, which means NO MOVING unless in IMMEDIATE LIFETHREATENING DANGER. I was glad to see that the vehicle was eventually stabalized (by guy holding a strap) better than nothing but get another vehicle or 2 and get straps on it, even if it is on 4 wheels, make it so it can not move. 3rd thing was tell help (911) what the exact situation is, and help them figure out what you need as far as emergency services resources. What else to do, in this situation, as stated, keep the patient's spine immobilized, even if they are in a awkward position, its fine, start making access to them, clearing debris off, removing top (either hard or softtop by any means because if you can its easier on us) remove a seat if you can, cut the roll bar out of the way, whatever you can do, without moving the patient, to give emergency services the best access to the patient. Sometimes emergency service people get hyped up too, and might miss idea's or worry about other issues, but this stuff being done prior to our arrival makes my choices of removing the patient much easier and safer for everyone.
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