Body shop estimate seems high, can I have a second opinion?
So, there are a lot of body shops around me, but only two that have any decent reviews.
I went out and got some estimates to paint my new full doors, and my hard top on my 99 TJ.
My issues are as follows:
Door paint job, factory paint color, digitally matched as best as they can get it. (they remove all subcomponents and paint) = $544.73
If I remove all of the subcomponents (trim, door handles, interior panels and reassemble myself) = $366.75
Hardtop, flat khaki paint job with something-something hardener = $566.08
Ridiculously, that includes an hour of shop labor to undo the four bolts on my truck to remove the hard top.
Am I getting royally boned for these two jobs? Should I be looking for a different shop?
I almost never work with body shops, so I have no idea of what is reasonable.
That is entirely reasonable, because the paint and labor rates are probably about 75 to 80 an hour and they're billing you fir a couple hours for each door.
If you were to do it yourself, you'd probably have 150 or more in it, even if you didn't have to buy a paint gun. That would be just for the doors, if you get into a flat clearcoat for the top, that is a lot more money and a much harder to spray product. Its very sensitive to dirt and imperfections.
You could have another 200 or more in materials for the top.
Personally if you don't have a lot of experience painting with automotive products I would say spend a few extra bucks and have it done professionally. Otherwise you could end up spending almost as much money and not be happy with your job and pay to do it again.
I also agree with all of the above. I would strip the door and maybe even scotchbrite the door and take it to shop to paint. As for the hard top you should be able to spray in your driveway if you wanted. Its a flat color and even if a little dirt you will never notice on a spackle textured top.
yeah, those numbers arent crazy at all. What people dont understand about paint and body shops is that a lot of shops pay their employees based on what they do. And the techs want to get paid for everything they take apart and put back together. Labor rates vary from state to state, and they should not be anywhere near 75/80 an hour, sorry brother, but I wish they were. Here in my area, labors rates are 44 an hour for body work and refinish labor and 28 and hour for materials. Meaning, if I charge someone 3 hours of paint work, no body work, thats 3 x 44 and 3 x 28 which totals $216. The painter gets a % of that 44 an hr for his pay check and the shop gets the full amount of the $28 an hr for the materials to re-coupe what they spent in product.
So, if they are only charging 366.75 to paint 2 new doors inside and out, its not a bad deal at all.
I would bed line the top at home if I where you for less than $150
We are currently at $50 an hour and the materials for paint is around $30. Frame time is $55 an hour with a 2 hour min for set up and measure, + whatever pull time is required. Techs are on flat rate commission, meaning that if a job is bid at 5 hours, you get paid for 5 hours of time, no matter if you get it done in 3 hours or 20 hours. Tech pay will vary with who you work for and how good you are, and sometimes how long you have been with that shop.
Now mechanics are a different horse all together. The shop rates are around $65-75 an hour and dealerships a little higher.