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Unread 10-14-2009, 06:31 AM   #1
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Best way to get a satin or flat color?

I want to paint my jeep a desert sand color when I get the tub all fixed up and I was wondering what the best way to do this was. Should I use single stage or two stage paint and where is a good place to get it. I have been around painting before and know how to block sand primer after the metal and filler work has been done. I just have never tried to get a flat paint job. thanks

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Unread 10-14-2009, 03:47 PM   #2
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You can actually by flatners for clear coats (an additive). Check with your local Napa, Carquest or such or a local body shop might point you in the right direction if they're nice.
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For this effect, you can also have a tintable primer made to the color needed and leave the primer as the finish coat.

I've also seen some crazies who rubbed out a glossy finish with fine steel wool or wet sanded to remove all traces of gloss.

RE previous post:
Spraying a flat or satin clear over your color is more durable than diluting the paint with liquid flattening additive. Also uses less coats since flattener kills hiding strength

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I figured I could use a base coat with a satin clear. When ever the time comes for paint I'll see what the auto body shop says.
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Ay buddy how's it going?
I am a painter for the government. fighter jets, tanks, bombs...all that "good ****"
The Best way to get a flat color to be honest with you, is either A: buy a flat paint or B: use a tinted Primer and just use it as your base coat.
It is NOT detrimental to use a pigmented coat on top of primer, that is just for looks. Primer can be used as a stand alone product, and will seal the vehicle just as well....
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Ay buddy how's it going?
I am a painter for the government. fighter jets, tanks, bombs...all that "good ****"
The Best way to get a flat color to be honest with you, is either A: buy a flat paint or B: use a tinted Primer and just use it as your base coat.
It is NOT detrimental to use a pigmented coat on top of primer, that is just for looks. Primer can be used as a stand alone product, and will seal the vehicle just as well....
He is correct. If you do use tinted primer, use urethane primer and not epoxy primer or polyester. Epoxy will get chalky, polyester is junk.
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Unread 10-20-2009, 01:17 PM   #7
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You will have to post pics of your paint job. I am doing the same thing to my CJ. Orange is one of my favorite colors, but want to do something I don't see everyday.
Want to go to a flat desert tan, I been looking at Hotrod flatz Thinking of doing frame and all. Only problem is my Aluminum wheels, but they do have a satin finish. Good luck
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or use CARC paint
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For this effect, you can also have a tintable primer made to the color needed and leave the primer as the finish coat.

I've also seen some crazies who rubbed out a glossy finish with fine steel wool or wet sanded to remove all traces of gloss.

RE previous post:
Spraying a flat or satin clear over your color is more durable than diluting the paint with liquid flattening additive. Also uses less coats since flattener kills hiding strength
I have a 95YJ Sahara that has been partially repainted. The clear coat is peeling on the repainted section, (hood and front fenders) and there are other issues with the rest of the paint job such as scratches etc but not rust or rot that is visible. Haven't started poking around it yet.

I want to paint it the same factory color it was: Light Pearlstone
Lt. Pearlstone Pearl Coat. BUT I want it to have as flat a finish as possible and have protection from staining.

So, if I want to get the best flat finish looking paint and want it to be relatively stain resistant then a base coat covered with a satin or flat clear coat is the best way to go, correct?
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I have a 95YJ Sahara that has been partially repainted. The clear coat is peeling on the repainted section, (hood and front fenders) and there are other issues with the rest of the paint job such as scratches etc but not rust or rot that is visible. Haven't started poking around it yet.

I want to paint it the same factory color it was: Light Pearlstone
Lt. Pearlstone Pearl Coat. BUT I want it to have as flat a finish as possible and have protection from staining.

So, if I want to get the best flat finish looking paint and want it to be relatively stain resistant then a base coat covered with a satin or flat clear coat is the best way to go, correct?
Yes... Flat or satin clear will hands down offer the best stain resistance. Talk to the body shop or auto paint dealer about using this over a basecoat in the pearl color you want.
Look at PPG or Dupont clears for this as they are likely better than off brands but also more costly.

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Yes... Flat or satin clear will hands down offer the best stain resistance. Talk to the body shop or auto paint dealer about using this over a basecoat in the pearl color you want.
Look at PPG or Dupont clears for this as they are likely better than off brands but also more costly.

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One more thing... The flatter you go the less stain and mar resistance you will have
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If you are looking for flat clear and improved resistnace to polish back and easy maring such as typical flat colors and clears then check out the folks at Performance Coatings Specialites Performance Coatings Specialties - Raising the Bar
I know a boat manufactuer that they helped out to create an improved flat coating for their guided duck boats that see daily use. They are very impressed and feel they have one of the best low gloss antislip coatings in their market.
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I used 16 cans of Aervo 977 Flat Sand to do mine.
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