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Unread 09-11-2013, 02:14 PM   #646
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What are your goals? Personally I wouldn't bother stretching unless you are getting at least 10".
I'm pretty sure a majority of people on here have less than 10" on their stretched jeeps. Common theme is 5-7"

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Unread 09-11-2013, 02:23 PM   #647
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I'm pretty sure a majority of people on here have less than 10" on their stretched jeeps. Common theme is 5-7"
I know it's common. I'm saying IMO it's a waste of time. If you are going to stretch, stretch. Don't get all the tools out unless you are going to make it worth your while.
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Unread 09-11-2013, 02:33 PM   #648
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I know it's common. I'm saying IMO it's a waste of time. If you are going to stretch, stretch. Don't get all the tools out unless you are going to make it worth your while.
The breakover point on a 10" stretch and 35s would yield a lot of belly scratching I would think, even more than my puppy would enjoy...

I see from your avatar pic your stretched quite a bit, what size tires are you running and do you experience hang hangups in the rocks very often? I'm still learning
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he is stretched a lot haha. but i would tend to agree. if stretching i would stretch it long. the returns on a 5" longer jeep are not terribly impressive, especially when a 10" won't take THAT much more work. i'd say a 7" is the minimum i would go. that gives you the magic 100" wheelbase. a little in front and a little in back will be pretty nice.
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Unread 09-11-2013, 02:44 PM   #650
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The breakover point on a 10" stretch and 35s would yield a lot of belly scratching I would think, even more than my puppy would enjoy...

I see from your avatar pic your stretched quite a bit, what size tires are you running and do you experience hang hangups in the rocks very often? I'm still learning
I'm at 15" of stretch at 108" wheel base. That's still 8" short of a stock JKU. I run 4" springs on a 37" tire. We don't have too many rocks out here but the longer wheelbase for climbing and stability outweighs the breakover penalty where I wheel.

I don't think the average person (or any person) would be able to tell the difference in a small stretch outside of an emotional difference since they spent all that time and money doing it.

If you are going to stretch, go 10+ inches and put a high clearance belly skid on it and enjoy.
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Unread 09-11-2013, 02:57 PM   #651
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I'm at 15" of stretch at 108" wheel base. That's still 8" short of a stock JKU. I run 4" springs on a 37" tire. We don't have too many rocks out here but the longer wheelbase for climbing and stability outweighs the breakover penalty where I wheel.

I don't think the average person (or any person) would be able to tell the difference in a small stretch outside of an emotional difference since they spent all that time and money doing it.

If you are going to stretch, go 10+ inches and put a high clearance belly skid on it and enjoy.
Where I wheel I already get hung up on my belly skid. A 10" stretch while staying with 33-35's would probably put my breakover angle worse than it is now, even with a flat skid. And I think it would look retarded. With 37s + hell yeah.

I do plan on stretching the front eventually, but I'd be happy with 3-5" in the back, since that is my area of focus anyway. I remember Mr. Blaine mentioning something about stretching the wheelbase a couple few inches for every tire size over 33-35s. Maybe I'm just making **** up
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Where I wheel I already get hung up on my belly skid. A 10" stretch while staying with 33-35's would probably put my breakover angle worse than it is now, even with a flat skid. And I think it would look retarded. With 37s + hell yeah.

I do plan on stretching the front eventually, but I'd be happy with 3-5" in the back, since that is my area of focus anyway. I remember Mr. Blaine mentioning something about stretching the wheelbase a couple few inches for every tire size over 33-35s. Maybe I'm just making **** up
you are correct, to keep a consistent ratio technically you should stretch it at 35s and up
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Where I wheel I already get hung up on my belly skid. A 10" stretch while staying with 33-35's would probably put my breakover angle worse than it is now, even with a flat skid. And I think it would look retarded. With 37s + hell yeah.

I do plan on stretching the front eventually, but I'd be happy with 3-5" in the back, since that is my area of focus anyway. I remember Mr. Blaine mentioning something about stretching the wheelbase a couple few inches for every tire size over 33-35s. Maybe I'm just making **** up
Actually Blaine said not to bother with small stretches. The only difference you will feel in a 3-5" stretch is a lighter wallet and grinding dust boogers. A stock wheelbase Wrangler on 35's is at a crossroads. To go beyond that, you will need to open your wallet wide and be prepared to cut lots of stuff up. Otherwise you are just wasting time and money.
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That sounds silly to me. I understand that in certain areas of a build you will notice the most difference with X sized ________, but I can recall many times where I would have benefited from either a few more inches in front, rear or both. Thats almost like saying there's no point in running 33s, might as well go straight from 29s to 37s. A 10" stretch may yield the best results for the money and effort but I would disagree that 2-3" either direction won't make a difference.
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A 2-3" rear stretch will help with departure angle a small amount, but as far as stability on climbs don't waste your time. The benefits people see with small stretches come from the fact that the stretch is done at the same time as a complete suspension overhaul.

All things being equal, you wont see any difference in the driver's seat with a small stretch like that. The gas money you will have not doing a small stretch will bring you far more enjoyment than cutting your rig up for a small increase in wheelbase.
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Unread 09-11-2013, 10:05 PM   #656
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Here's 6.5" stretch... I haven't wheeled it yet, but if that doesn't make a noticeable stability difference I'm gonna be pretty surprised, just the visual difference is pretty drastic and I'm not sure I'd want it any longer with 35's. Now I will say the effort it would take to move the front 2-3 inches seems questionable. Also having an excellent departure angle by stretching the wheelbase and not the tub is going to have some real perks coming down off ledges and in other situations. At the end of the day... nothing is perfect for all types of wheeling.

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Here's 6.5" stretch... I haven't wheeled it yet, but if that doesn't make a noticeable stability difference I'm gonna be pretty surprised, just the visual difference is pretty drastic and I'm not sure I'd want it any longer with 35's. Now I will say the effort it would take to move the front 2-3 inches seems questionable. Also having an excellent departure angle by stretching the wheelbase and not the tub is going to have some real perks coming down off ledges and in other situations. At the end of the day... nothing is perfect for all types of wheeling.
Well said. Looks awesome man! Gives me an idea how mine will look. Be sure to let us know the difference offroad!
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Unread 09-11-2013, 10:11 PM   #658
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Well said. Looks awesome man! Gives me an idea how mine will look. Be sure to let us know the difference offroad!
I sure will. It's getting close to being completed.
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I sure will. It's getting close to being completed.
I haven't checked out your build thread since you outboarded your shocks. I better get busy reading!
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Unread 09-11-2013, 10:17 PM   #660
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Here's 6.5" stretch... I haven't wheeled it yet, but if that doesn't make a noticeable stability difference I'm gonna be pretty surprised, just the visual difference is pretty drastic and I'm not sure I'd want it any longer with 35's. Now I will say the effort it would take to move the front 2-3 inches seems questionable. Also having an excellent departure angle by stretching the wheelbase and not the tub is going to have some real perks coming down off ledges and in other situations. At the end of the day... nothing is perfect for all types of wheeling.

I've read your build thread multiple times!
Great stuff. The white with raw aluminum is by far my favorite look, and one I have always desired. I think with my next YJ I can finally make it a reality.

Anyways, Randon, it's your jeep bro. You know where and how you wheel and if you think a 4-6" stretch would help, I say do it!

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