This is my third set of mtrs (second set for the TJ and I have 32s on my ZJ). I know that mud is supposed to be their weakest area, but they seemed to perform ok last weekend. I was the only one to make it outa couple of the holes. It could be because of my clearance and light weight. We had a Dodge Ram (don't know how much lift), Chevy Silverado (no lift), F150 (4"), F250 Powerstroke (6" on 38s), YJ (4" on 33s), and an XJ (no lift on my old 31" mtrs). I had the least amount of wheeling experience of all them there, and they seemed impressed with how well the TJ went. Most of the pics did not come out. Here's one from a camera phone. You can't tell from this angle how deep and steep this hole was.