post #5041 of Old 07-01-2013, 11:35 PM
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Took me hours to get one bushing out. With torch, BFH, ball joint press, and various saws. Try to have some fun with it... It will still suck, just less :laughing:


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I read some ware about using a hole saw to drill out the bushings.
It might come to that, depending on how obstinate they want to be.

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Or after you clean them up bring them over here and we can apply 40 tons of pressure to the bushings .
See, I was going to push the bushings out, clean up the arms and paint them, and then re-install the good bushings or replace the bad ones...but there's no way to push the bushing out in a press due to the size of the lip; it completely occludes the barrel on the arm on both ends. Therefore, to replace the bushing you have to cut the lip off at a minimum; that was the suggestion that JKS just e-mailed to me. If the lip can be removed, the barrel can be supported on that side and a press can pop the bushing right out. Failing that, it's saw/hole-cutter/torch time. Either way, a bushing doesn't get re-used once it's taken out...so I have to decide what to do about replacing them, because I'll have to do that before they get cleaned/painted.

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Yeah, a press is the easiest way!!! Lots of wd40 or similar, my rubixpress bushings were a breeze and they are figure 8 shaped!
And that's why I need a press...although in point of fact I do need to cook some pig and take it up to Beasley's place this week.

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Took me hours to get one bushing out. With torch, BFH, ball joint press, and various saws. Try to have some fun with it... It will still suck, just less :laughing:
"Sucks less!" is one of my favorite phrases. I'm glad that you're aware of the concept.

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Today's Jeeping: I got all of the upper control arms cleaned-up and ready for some paint. As you can see in the above photo, the fronts are actually pretty pristine and don't require painting; I'll get give them a fresh coating nonetheless because the gold anodizing is actually kind of thin. I think the thin coating explains why the lowers - much more exposed to weather - have some rust on them; a good coat of Satin Black will be more than enough to remedy the rust problem, and it shouldn't interfere with the grease seals unless I just cake it on...which I won't do. JKS advised me to just give the surfaces a solid cleaning and then go ahead with the paint, all while being sure to not get heavy solvents near the seals; I'm using Simple Green to de-grease everything and it's working pretty well, and it shouldn't cause any problems. I was more worried about spraying rust converter near the bushings than I was damaging a seal, but the rust converter just dries and flakes off of the rubber bushing with no appreciable effect.

Speaking of bushings: all of the units that are installed in the upper arms seem intact...so that helps me out a lot. I haven't given the lower bushings much of an inspection, but Beasley said that one of them was making a bit of noise, so I'll have to see which one it is and then cut it out.

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post #5044 of Old 07-02-2013, 09:02 PM
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As I recall the uppers were clanking the most . How about drilling the sleeves , going up one size on the bolts and adding greaseable bolts to the mix ?

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As I recall the uppers were clanking the most . How about drilling the sleeves , going up one size on the bolts and adding greaseable bolts to the mix ?
Really?!? The inside of those bushings looked a hell of a lot better than the lowers! I'm certainly not averse to drilling out those little protrusions and getting a larger bolt through the bushing, but won't that screw me later on when I'm installing a joint that uses a factory-sized bolt? I'll have to drill my mounts on both the axles and the frame, so whatever joint eventually replaces these would have to used the same size bolt - which would mean drilling out that joint, too - unless I cut the mounts off and replace them with something that's got a factory-sized hole in it. Am I off-base, here? Has anyone done something like this, before?

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I had to drill out the uppers on my Jeep to accept the Savvy oversized bolts . And I am quite sure the uppers were clanking more than the lowers.

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I had to drill out the uppers on my Jeep to accept the Savvy oversized bolts . And I am quite sure the uppers were clanking more than the lowers.
Yeah, but that's the difference between the M10 factory bolts and the 7/16" Currie bolts. Drilling the protrusions in the bushing barrel completely out would make the diameter closer to 1/2", if not 9/16". That's a pretty big jump.

I'll take your word that the uppers were making noise; you would know. They just looked a lot better than the lower CA bushings!

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Yeah, but that's the difference between the M10 factory bolts and the 7/16" Currie bolts. Drilling the protrusions in the bushing barrel completely out would make the diameter closer to 1/2", if not 9/16". That's a pretty big jump.

I'll take your word that the uppers were making noise; you would know. They just looked a lot better than the lower CA bushings!
My assumption was based on the noise I got out of them as I moved them around before I pulled them . That may be off base , as noise can transfer. I wouldnt drill out my mounts larger than the 7/16th , no reason to hurt yourself in the future .

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I didn't have to drill out anything when I replaced my front uppers or my lowers. Just say'in.

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My assumption was based on the noise I got out of them as I moved them around before I pulled them . That may be off base , as noise can transfer. I wouldnt drill out my mounts larger than the 7/16th , no reason to hurt yourself in the future .
That's pretty sound logic...but I have no idea as to how I'd only drill out a portion of the bushing sleeve. I could drill it all the way and use the walls themselves as a guide, but I can't figure out how to clamp the thing perfectly in place in order to just chase it with a 7/16" drill bit. You see, I'm really a bear of very little brain.

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I didn't have to drill out anything when I replaced my front uppers or my lowers. Just say'in.
Well, I like the idea of a greasable bolt...but I don't know that I'd find one in the stock M10xWhatever size. I suppose I'll just have to see how these things fit once I get them all cleaned up.

Today's Jeeping: More control arm cleaning/painting, and I might look around for a sheet of aluminum...

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What's grease going to do to a rubber bushing? Nothing.

Adding greasable bolts is pointless because greasing Clevite bushings is pointless. If they're making noise it's because the bond between the sleeve and bushing element is broken to some extent. Grease won't do anything in that case.

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What's grease going to do to a rubber bushing? Nothing.
I honestly can't think that it would do much, aside from possibly preventing a seizure between the bolt and the inner bushing sleeve...which might be what I'm dealing with, now. Something's not moving, that's for sure.

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Adding greasable bolts is pointless because greasing Clevite bushings is pointless. If they're making noise it's because the bond between the sleeve and bushing element is broken to some extent. Grease won't do anything in that case.
Okay, that makes sense...but now I'm more confused because I really didn't see any kind of destruction taking place on the upper bushings. There was some inner sleeve damage on one of the lowers - I'll get a picture, later - but I guess there could be a separation or some kind of internal issue that I didn't see in the uppers. Hmm.

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Well, those arms have two halves so you may be dealing with some play between them. Clevite bushings really don't and can't make any noise unless there's serious bond issues with the sleeve and/or the bolt is loose.

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Well, those arms have two halves so you may be dealing with some play between them. Clevite bushings really don't and can't make any noise unless there's serious bond issues with the sleeve and/or the bolt is loose.
It's a really cool design for an arm, once you look at them; I really wasn't familiar with them until Beasley gave 'em to me over the weekend. I can see that they still won't flex as well as a Johnny Joint or a Duroflex joint, but they seem to be a pretty big improvement over a factory arm. I didn't detect any play in any of them, but I'll be sure to give them a more thorough examination later today.

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How about drilling the sleeves
Nothing there about the bushing .
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What's grease going to do to a rubber bushing? Nothing.

Adding greasable bolts is pointless because greasing Clevite bushings is pointless. If they're making noise it's because the bond between the sleeve and bushing element is broken to some extent. Grease won't do anything in that case.
I didnt say anything about greasing the bushing . My thought was to drill out the sleeve inside the bushing and use a slightly larger greasable bolt so that it wouldnt seize . The sleeve's i.d. is larger than the o.d. of the bolt . The way the smaller bolt makes contact is through small bumps in the sleeve that are now worn away . Make sense ?

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