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post #4996 of 8099 Old 06-26-2013, 09:05 AM Thread Starter
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Its nice out til 10 am or so then its sizzling . I guess your waiting until 7pm or so now ?
Yep...had to tend to the garden this morning.


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She's keeping you? I thought she had better taste than that...

Hey I'm as surprised as anyone. Not complaining though...

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Today's Jeeping: I finally got a chance to get a shock pulled and inspected; in actuality, I pulled both front shocks and compared them. Results? Inconclusive. Here's what I determined in my quick inspection.

- Both shocks are somewhat stiffer than I recalled them being; it took a significant amount of effort to compress them. The passenger-side shock feels slightly stiffer.
- Each shock rebounds differently; the passenger-side unit rebounds a bit slower.
- The passenger-side shock had slipped a slight bit in its upper mounting. I could see that the bushings had not been located exactly as they should have been.
- Neither shock had a rough or slow spot in its travel; both moved smoothly throughout the travel range.
- I didn't see any physical damage, or any sign of a bent shaft.

I'm going to send this info on to ARB; I haven't gotten a reply to the last e-mail I sent them a week ago. I may be back to dealing with a phone call.

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Refresh my memory as to what symptoms you were experiencing with the front shocks that led to your conclusion.

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Refresh my memory as to what symptoms you were experiencing with the front shocks that led to your conclusion.
I'm experiencing a rough, choppy, jarring ride. The tire pressures are actually a tad low - 21, right now - so I know that's not contributing to it. Nothing else has changed; the ride has just gotten progressively harsher in the last couple of months. Best I could figure, I had killed the front shocks, somehow.

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I'm experiencing a rough, choppy, jarring ride. The tire pressures are actually a tad low - 21, right now - so I know that's not contributing to it. Nothing else has changed; the ride has just gotten progressively harsher in the last couple of months. Best I could figure, I had killed the front shocks, somehow.
Do you think the shocks have lost compression dampening ability? Are you hitting the bumpstops a lot? I guess loss of rebound dampening could cause that bucking feeling too. Shocks are a slippery slope! Something must be amiss if they felt fine before and now they're not. Did you notice this after your offroading adventure?

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Do you think the shocks have lost compression dampening ability? Are you hitting the bumpstops a lot? I guess loss of rebound dampening could cause that bucking feeling too. Shocks are a slippery slope! Something must be amiss if they felt fine before and now they're not. Did you notice this after your offroading adventure?
The short answer to those questions is that neither I nor the manufacturer has ANY kind of notion as to what might be causing it these issues. I'm not hitting the bumpstops during normal driving, and "normal driving" is when all of these issues are occurring. I didn't notice any sort of difference after the last offoad trip; this all started sometime in late February/early March. I've checked tire pressures seven or eight times, and aside from running the Falkens at 10 PSI there's no way to further dampen the system.

So, to help move things along, I placed a phone call per Clint's suggestion and got in touch with Marc Bowers at the U.S. office in Renton...and over a 20-minute conversation we agreed - as aforementioned - that we simply have no f****** idea as to why this harshness is taking place. Marc suggested that I pull the shocks and see how they were traveling, but upon being informed that I'd already done that we kind of hit an impasse. Unless there's been some sort of manufacturing defect, there's really nothing that should be causing a problem with the front shocks. Admittedly, there is an outside chance that a seized control arm bushing might be at fault, but I really don't expect that to be the case...so we're at the "okay, let's just throw some parts at it" phase of the diagnosis. Marc is shipping me two new N66's as soon as they get some in stock; we'll change these out and see if there's any improvement or change in the ride quality. So, that's a win.

Also, he suggested taking the front shocks off and going for a short drive...and since there's a very bumpy stretch of road not a quarter mile from Muppet Labs, I think I can make that happen. I don't expect it to make any sort of difference, but we'll see what happens.

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I'm glad they are getting you taken care of. I didn't even think about driving with the shocks off. That's a good idea.
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I'm curious to see the outcome. We pretty much run the same spring/shock combination on basically the same year TJ, cept mine's not a Rubi and I'm on 32's instead of 35's.

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I'm glad they are getting you taken care of. I didn't even think about driving with the shocks off. That's a good idea.
I'm glad they are, too; that's good customer service and I appreciate it when it happens. You were on point when you suggested the phone call; I had to keep asking him to repeat stuff - hearing problems - but it was worth the effort.

Also, yes...driving with the shocks off is a pretty smart idea. I'll need to be careful when doing it, but it will eliminate one potential source of the problem.

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I'm curious to see the outcome. We pretty much run the same spring/shock combination on basically the same year TJ, cept mine's not a Rubi and I'm on 32's instead of 35's.
And Marc at ARB runs Falken Wild Peaks - heavily cut - on his own TJ...so it was really confusing because he's not having these issues at all.

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Why not switch the rear shocks to front and vice versa?

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The front shocks have a stud mount on the top and the rear are loop / loop.
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The front shocks have a stud mount on the top and the rear are loop / loop.
Ah.... Disregard my comment. Carry on

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Can you check something for me? When you get your front shocks back on, can you measure the shocks length at ride height? Measure from bottom side of the shock tower where the stud bushing meets the underside of the tower to the bar pin flats on the bottom. My shock measures out 19" at ride height. Thanks.

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Glad to hear they are taking care of you with two new shocks . Whens the jeephop / no shocks ride taking place ?

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