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Information Request: If anyone has any good tips on adapting the LS block to an NV3550, send them my way. I've read through the Novak and Advance Adapters site, but that's about all I've found so far; most of the technical information that I've bookmarked assumes that the GM automatic tranny will be used in place of the TJ's stock unit.
If you are looking for a budget build, it would probably be cheaper to keep the stock GM / Chevy transmission. They are regarded as equal to or superior to the equivalent jeep transmission and will save you the cost and complexity of an adapter.

Finding a manual might be an issue....

I know you like to overdo things and travel your own path, but going with the LS4 / 3550 rather than the LM7 with native transmission is just inviting unnecessary issues.

Also, would you happen to mean the LM4 engine?

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This...is why I love this thread. Wish I had more to offer on the engine swap, still just trying to get mine to work. :-) Also thinking of hood louvers, but you beat me to it...I'm still drooling over Falkens...and a lift...and a disc brake conversion...and...oh screw it.

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If you are looking for a budget build, it would probably be cheaper to keep the stock GM / Chevy transmission. They are regarded as equal to or superior to the equivalent jeep transmission and will save you the cost and complexity of an adapter. Finding a manual might be an issue....
Exactly. There won't be an automatic installed. Period.

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I know you like to overdo things and travel your own path, but going with the LS4 / 3550 rather than the LM7 with native transmission is just inviting unnecessary issues. Also, would you happen to mean the LM4 engine?
I'm looking at the LM4, along with the L33. Those are the top candidates, right now.

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This...is why I love this thread. Wish I had more to offer on the engine swap, still just trying to get mine to work. :-) Also thinking of hood louvers, but you beat me to it...I'm still drooling over Falkens...and a lift...and a disc brake conversion...and...oh screw it.
The list just keeps piling up, doesn't it?

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Information Request: If anyone has any good tips on adapting the LS block to an NV3550, send them my way. I've read through the Novak and Advance Adapters site, but that's about all I've found so far; most of the technical information that I've bookmarked assumes that the GM automatic tranny will be used in place of the TJ's stock unit.
The NV3350 is going to be at it's torque limit with a healthy 5.3. You are going to have to be nice to it or you will be scattering pieces all over the place. Adapting it to the 5.3 is easy. Less wiring than an auto too. Tell your programmer you are running a manual and you are good to go. Adapters are available from Novak and Advanced adapters.
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Thus far, the only significant difference that I've found between the NV3550 and the AX15 - or R151 or whatever Toyota calls it - is in the first gear ratio; the Toyota has a 4.31 and the 3550 has 4.01. That's a bit, but not a huge difference. I assume there's more to be learned.

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The NV3350 is going to be at it's torque limit with a healthy 5.3. You are going to have to be nice to it or you will be scattering pieces all over the place. Adapting it to the 5.3 is easy. Less wiring than an auto too. Tell your programmer you are running a manual and you are good to go. Adapters are available from Novak and Advanced adapters.
When I posted up that info request I almost included "And before anyone tells me that I'm pushing the 3550, rest assured that I know it's at the limit of what it can take behind a 5.3..."

I know I'm going to have to be nice to it...which is not something I'm good at doing, to be perfectly honest. I know the 3550 is rated for around 300-ish, torque-wise...and that's pretty much what I'm attempting to get from the 5.3. Right now, I'm not sure whether it's smarter to spend the money on the adapter kits to bolt it to the 3550, or to look for a transmission that will settle into place nicely and handle the power. I'm concerned that if I swap trannies, I'll be into a t-case fitment issue.

I found that and was reading it just as you posted the link. I'm looking for more information on it right now.

Edit: I put in an e-mail request for additional information from them, since I didn't see ratios or torque ratings or anything like that.

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The LS series engine doesn't have a very good manual transmission swap path for a DD. Most of your higher HP transmissions will be a NP4500 (not great for a DD and huge) or an old school 4 speed (NP435). As you may know, Chevy only put the NV3500 manual behind the 4.8. The 5.3 was never offered with a manual and certainly not a "souped up" 5.3.

According to this page http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...-3-vortec.html the terminator is rated for 385ft/pounds of torque. That's still pushing it with a healthy 5.3.
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The LS series engine doesn't have a very good manual transmission swap path for a DD. Most of your higher HP transmissions will be a NP4500 (not great for a DD and huge) or an old school 4 speed (NP435). As you may know, Chevy only put the NV3500 manual behind the 4.8. The 5.3 was never offered with a manual and certainly not a "souped up" 5.3.

According to this page http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...-3-vortec.html the terminator is rated for 385ft/pounds of torque. That's still pushing it with a healthy 5.3.
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a clean and easy option for a manual that offers streetable performance; there are a ton of four speeds, but I'm not going there. I saw several different torque ratings for the Terminator, and I'd be okay with 385 lb-ft. I don't want to go that high, honestly; I just don't need to do so. I might actually be okay with something along the 4500 line, though; I could make the 5.3 a bit healthier and then just avoid first gear on the street.

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I have been running an AX15 behind my 5.3 pushing close to 350 ft/lbs of torque for close to 2 years now with no issues. I used the advanced adapters bell housing kit, for the most part is was a straight forward install. I can prolly dig up all of the part numbers if you would be interested. I would also be very interested I'm some info on the ax15 'terminator' if you go that route
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The 4500 is HUGE , I had one in my Dodge and it was a mofo to drop and move . I can only imagine squeezing one into a TJ .

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I have been running an AX15 behind my 5.3 pushing close to 350 ft/lbs of torque for close to 2 years now with no issues. I used the advanced adapters bell housing kit, for the most part is was a straight forward install. I can prolly dig up all of the part numbers if you would be interested. I would also be very interested I'm some info on the ax15 'terminator' if you go that route
I'd be very interested in those numbers; thank you. I'll post up whatever I get from Rockland, if/when they get back to me. I'll have to add your name to the "People To Call When I Screw It Up" list, engine-swap-wise.

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The 4500 is HUGE , I had one in my Dodge and it was a mofo to drop and move . I can only imagine squeezing one into a TJ .
And when you say "HUGE" it must be properly pronounced: "hyousche" is correct. I know a guy that has one in a YJ - behind a four-cylinder - and it's massive.

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I have a few of that part numbers mentioned in my build http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-5-3l-1481942/
If you need anything else, let me know and ill see what I can do!
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I have a few of that part numbers mentioned in my build http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-5-3l-1481942/
If you need anything else, let me know and ill see what I can do!
I certainly will. I read through your build once or twice before, already. Looks like you didn't have too many problems getting everything installed and working.

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