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Unread 03-06-2013, 09:12 PM   #3841
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I was just thinking the tailgate would be a good place for you to focus some attention, and you mentioned it. Should be a good spot to spend a little time, not a lotta money, witch will be nice as you recover from this big one.

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Unread 03-06-2013, 09:46 PM   #3842
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I was just thinking the tailgate would be a good place for you to focus some attention, and you mentioned it. Should be a good spot to spend a little time, not a lotta money, witch will be nice as you recover from this big one.
I'm actually thinking of doing a testbed-style scenario; maybe buy a second tailgate and start working on it instead of the one that's mounted, now. That would take the "get it done right now!" pressure off of the process and let me just swap them out once I get the second one finished. I think that a pair of 20L cans would be perfect in that area, and they wouldn't cause nearly the same amount of stress that a full-sized spare would create; fully-loaded they would be forty pounds lighter...or basically the same weight as a stock spare.
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Unread 03-06-2013, 09:58 PM   #3843
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I'm actually thinking of doing a testbed-style scenario; maybe buy a second tailgate and start working on it instead of the one that's mounted, now. That would take the "get it done right now!" pressure off of the process and let me just swap them out once I get the second one finished. I think that a pair of 20L cans would be perfect in that area, and they wouldn't cause nearly the same amount of stress that a full-sized spare would create; fully-loaded they would be forty pounds lighter...or basically the same weight as a stock spare.
And correct me if I'm wrong, would you not rather have an -02 gate WITHOUT the vent thingie? I think if you could accomplish a gate that could not only swing, but also drop down (ala, Honda Ridgeline), you might just overcome this lack of popularity you've got going on here....
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And correct me if I'm wrong, would you not rather have an -02 gate WITHOUT the vent thingie? I think if you could accomplish a gate that could not only swing, but also drop down (ala, Honda Ridgeline), you might just overcome this lack of popularity you've got going on here....
I wouldn't convert Greta's tailgate to a drop-down configuration if you paid me to do it; for me, the swing-out is infinitely more functional. However, an 02-or-before gate might entail less work depending on what I end up doing. Let's not forget that I also have some underneathness to work on and a badly-degraded sound system to spruce up - and 6.2 billion other things to do, as well - so I don't want to sink a ton of money into the tailgate. I'm hoping to raise some of the funds from the sale of Greta's no-longer-needed pieces; guess I'd better go ahead and post those classifieds.
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Unread 03-06-2013, 10:28 PM   #3845
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The top looks great! I love the half cab look. I miss my wraparound windjammer/safari combo so much. I'm curious how all that looks laying down, and how quickly you can get it installed in incliment weather though. Well done sir. Money well spent in my book. Thumbs up!
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The top looks great! I love the half cab look. I miss my wraparound windjammer/safari combo so much. I'm curious how all that looks laying down, and how quickly you can get it installed in incliment weather though. Well done sir. Money well spent in my book. Thumbs up!
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The top looks great! I love the half cab look. I miss my wraparound windjammer/safari combo so much. I'm curious how all that looks laying down, and how quickly you can get it installed in incliment weather though. Well done sir. Money well spent in my book. Thumbs up!
I really like it too. As far as how it looks laying down, I don't plan on finding out; the entire idea, here, was to make something that doesn't get taken off but still allows a maximum amount of open-air "feel"...and that also has a quick provision for inclement weather. With the back window down it's basically the same as driving with the safari top and full doors, which is what I've had on for a year; I was adamant that the corners behind the door surrounds only get filled-in as much as was needed, which not only preserves line-of-sight (it's a bit less, still) but also keeps you from feeling "closed in." I can drop the window in good weather, roll the door windows down, and it's about as open as anyone would want.

I always kept a safari top or a bikini top on in case of light rain or to simply keep the direct sun off of me; it made for a more pleasant driving experience. Also, I always thought that the factory soft top looked like a** when not completely removed from the vehicle, which is why Greta's top only got changed twice a year, heretofore; the full top was swapped for the safari and duster in March, and those two pieces were swapped back out for the full unit in early November. This top will stay on 24/7; the huge back window is there for rain/wind/etc. and the doors can be used in whatever configuration I wish.

Thus far, I'm pleased.

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I whole heartedly agree!
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Rokmen tailgate. 'Nuff said
It's a nice piece of work, sure enough...but it's a drop-down. I like the storage compartment; I thought about maybe including one of those, as well...or some type of integral gear rack thingy. I was thinking that a tailgate would be a good opportunity to practice some sheet metal skillz.
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Love how the top came out, very cool!
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I wouldn't convert Greta's tailgate to a drop-down configuration if you paid me to do it; for me, the swing-out is infinitely more functional. However, an 02-or-before gate might entail less work depending on what I end up doing. Let's not forget that I also have some underneathness to work on and a badly-degraded sound system to spruce up - and 6.2 billion other things to do, as well - so I don't want to sink a ton of money into the tailgate. I'm hoping to raise some of the funds from the sale of Greta's no-longer-needed pieces; guess I'd better go ahead and post those classifieds.
That surprises me, especially with the hard deck. Seems like having a lower "table" of sorts would be worthwhile. After having my swag kit for 6 months or so now, I'm so used to it I couldn't imagine it not being there I use it so often. So tell me, why not have the actual gate swing down, and the stuff you want attached back there, swing out, by some other means? I don't see how a rectangular piece of metal that looks more like a seat, or a table than a mounting bracket is functional AT ALL other than a barrier, in the vertical position. Just feeding your brain buddy!
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Love how the top came out, very cool!
You might get to see it, tomorrow!

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That surprises me, especially with the hard deck. Seems like having a lower "table" of sorts would be worthwhile. After having my swag kit for 6 months or so now, I'm so used to it I couldn't imagine it not being there I use it so often. So tell me, why not have the actual gate swing down, and the stuff you want attached back there, swing out, by some other means? I don't see how a rectangular piece of metal that looks more like a seat, or a table than a mounting bracket is functional AT ALL other than a barrier, in the vertical position. Just feeding your brain buddy!
Good thinking! Let me explain my own:

1. If I make a carrier that swings out and a tailgate that drops down, I have to unfasten two latches every time I want to get into the tailgate, and refasten them every time I want to close it. This happens about twice a day, on average, and that's a lot of extra inconvenient effort. For me, something that's inconvenient is simply very annoying. It's petty, but I don't like the two-latch deal.

2. Think about trying to get stuff out of the "trunk" area; it's a 36"-deep closed-off space. It's already pretty deep, so you have to reach into it to get the stuff that's crammed all the way up towards the front; this isn't a big deal at all during normal use but if you put a drop down tailgate in the way it will be. You're basically adding a 16" barrier - the height of the gate - and keeping yourself that much further away from the interior. This would force me to crawl halfway underneath the hard deck to retrieve a sack of groceries that rolled forwards, or to contort myself around the impediment that a drop-down tailgate would become.

3. I don't sit on tailgates or sit things on them; having a swing-out gear storage area is much, much more useful for my particular organizational and deployment style. A drop-down tailgate with a storage compartment is basically a tall box with stuff in it that gets continuously turned on its side; unless you have everything securely fastened inside the box - thus negating the point of a box, incidentally - the contents get jumbled. My direction of thinking is a MOLLE rack, with quick-deploy soft-sided bags and a variety of tools attached.
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Gotcha gotcha, before even reading your reply, the extra reach scenario occured to me and that's a BIG one.
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Gotcha gotcha, before even reading your reply, the extra reach scenario occured to me and that's a BIG one.
Yeah, the "box" gets too deep if you add a drop-down tailgate; another reason to keep the bed open on an LJ version.
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Something else to think about on a dropdown, when off camber, or on a hill facing either way, getting into the back of the trunk area is much harder with the drop down. This is the same reason I would never run a genright/psc style stinger rear tire carrier aside from departure angle decrease.
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