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Unread 10-26-2013, 10:40 PM   #556
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He's too lazy to finish it....

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Unread 10-28-2013, 12:21 PM   #557
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Thanks. I went with the auto because that's what I had and the PCM matched. I prefer straight shift, but went with what was economical.

The old girl hasn't been doing much. I drive her around a bit, but haven't done any work lately. I've been driving around the other Jeep since it has been summer. Winter is coming soon, so I should have some time to get doing some work again.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 01:13 AM   #558
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Driveshafts

Jason,

I'm fairly certain I saw how you mounted the engine and tranny, but could you remind me? It's late and my eyes are failing me. I already have a rear DC driveshaft and SYE, so keeping the transfer case in the factory location is ideal to me. Is that the route you went? Also, what's your hold up on the front DS out of curiosity? Clearance issues or having a new one built? Thanks.

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Unread 11-26-2013, 08:02 AM   #559
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I mounted the engine with a set of mounts purchased from Advance Adapters. There is a hole in the frame, that matches with a dowel on the engine mounts. The recommendation is to match the dowel up with that hole. Doing so, I was able to retain the factory Jeep driveshafts. Keep in mind I'm on zero lift as well....

Not sure about your question with the front DS? I also used the factory front DS from the Jeep. It's all hooked up and has been basically trouble free. Your HP44 might present clearance issues.

I chose to use the recommended mounting location because it allows me to use the factory shafts, at least for now, while running stock axles, zero lift. I didn't want to make (or have made) driveshafts twice.

The only things I could have gained by moving the mounts would be (and the trade offs listed as well):
- Axle clearance by moving the engine up (but the engine would be too high, the air cleaner already hits the hood.)
- Fan clearance by moving the engine down (but the pan is then closer to the ground, and the axle would be dangerously close to hitting, the upper control arm already gets into the engine mount on the driver side.)
- Driveshaft length by moving the engine forward (but losing fan clearance).
- Fan clearance by moving it backward (but losing driveshaft length.)

Because of these trade offs, using the recommended position seemed wisest.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 08:06 AM   #560
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I mounted the engine with a set of mounts purchased from Advance Adapters. There is a hole in the frame, that matches with a dowel on the engine mounts. The recommendation is to match the dowel up with that hole. Doing so, I was able to retain the factory Jeep driveshafts. Keep in mind I'm on zero lift as well.... Not sure about your question with the front DS? I also used the factory front DS from the Jeep. It's all hooked up and has been basically trouble free. Your HP44 might present clearance issues. I chose to use the recommended mounting location because it allows me to use the factory shafts, at least for now, while running stock axles, zero lift. I didn't want to make (or have made) driveshafts twice. The only things I could have gained by moving the mounts would be (and the trade offs listed as well): - Axle clearance by moving the engine up (but the engine would be too high, the air cleaner already hits the hood.) - Fan clearance by moving the engine down (but the pan is then closer to the ground, and the axle would be dangerously close to hitting, the upper control arm already gets into the engine mount on the driver side.) - Driveshaft length by moving the engine forward (but losing fan clearance). - Fan clearance by moving it backward (but losing driveshaft length.) Because of these trade offs, using the recommended position seemed wisest.
What tranny are you using? I used the AA mounts in the recommended location with an ax-15 and had to adjust both shafts over 2"
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Unread 11-26-2013, 08:12 AM   #561
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I am using the 46re auto that I sourced from the same donor as the engine.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 03:51 PM   #562
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Sorry jump in on your post, but here is what I found. With the AA adapter mounted in the recomended spot the drive shaft lenghts were perfect. The problem I had was when I was planning to switch from a lp 30 to Hp 44 the drive shaft would hit the exhaust. Now i am either considering a waggy 44 or more lift. I wanted to be as low as possible on 37s, but it is now looking like a 3 or 4" lift would be required to have adequate clearence. It may be possible to chop the exhaust a bit more as well but I don't want to go there again. This is a 5.9l with a 46re as well. I do however have a 1" body lift which really helped with the underhood clearence issues. I was able to use the factory Dodge ram air box, but just spun it 180 degree and then cut the small tab off the throttle body.
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Unread 11-26-2013, 04:13 PM   #563
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Sorry jump in on your post, but here is what I found. With the AA adapter mounted in the recomended spot the drive shaft lenghts were perfect. The problem I had was when I was planning to switch from a lp 30 to Hp 44 the drive shaft would hit the exhaust. Now i am either considering a waggy 44 or more lift. I wanted to be as low as possible on 37s, but it is now looking like a 3 or 4" lift would be required to have adequate clearence. It may be possible to chop the exhaust a bit more as well but I don't want to go there again. This is a 5.9l with a 46re as well. I do however have a 1" body lift which really helped with the underhood clearence issues. I was able to use the factory Dodge ram air box, but just spun it 180 degree and then cut the small tab off the throttle body.
What kind of headers are you running?
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Unread 11-27-2013, 11:07 PM   #564
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I am running the stock dodge headers. I did it mostly to keep everything as close to dodge spec as i could while working out any bugs (O2 outputs etc). Makes my scan tool happier if things are unmodified. Now that things are all good and running close to perfect I will start to tune and mod things as needed. Block huggers like you have would have been the best way to go by far.
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Unread 11-28-2013, 08:17 AM   #565
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How did you clear the shift mechanism at the transmission with the stock headers and y pipe? I'll go back and find a pic, but I could not fit the cable shifter with the stock plumbing.
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Unread 11-28-2013, 08:20 AM   #566
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Between the red and green circle is where the (not pictured) cable braket now lives.
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Unread 12-04-2013, 11:03 AM   #567
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I modified the bracket, then wrapped the cable with heat shield. There wan't much room but it has actually held up really well I have about 6000miles on it with no problems. I will however be modifying things when I start the axle and suspension swap. I will post some pics of my set up when I am back home.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 06:34 PM   #568
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Time for an update. Betty got a little work tonight. Good news/bad news about my job. And, I learned a lesson about saving a buck.

I've been very busy at my job, and life in general. Summer around here means camping and wheeling, so I don't get much done in the way of Jeep building. Fall means getting ready for the winter. My job is always busy, but I've just been moved to another job. The work will be different, which is good because I needed a change. Bad because it is no less busy, and probably moreso. I don't expect to have much time to work on this anytime soon, but I finally found enough time to get working on the fenders.

I needed to cut the tube on both ends; too long on both sides and not angled right for the grille. I beat the bracket into shape where the fenders attach to the grille. The bracket is straight and the grille, obviously, curved.

Still need some fine tune the fit, but this is what it looks like.


Not terrible, but more messing around than I would have liked. Then I tossed the top piece of metal on to find this gap:



There's a few inches by the grill, tapering all the way back to where the indentation is in the hood for the hold-down. The grille bracket also sticks out in front of the grille a little and will need to be trimmed.

Remember that I bought these fenders as a DIY kit, pre-cut from a vendor on here. In addition to these issues, I had to have the brackets re-sent to me because they were cut wrong, twice. I have the tools and ability to make my own fenders, but I didn't want to spend a bunch of time on making them -- I have other things to keep me busy with this build, so I bought this pre-cut kit assuming everything would be premeasured and simply need assembly. Also the cheapest ones I could find. Lesson learned.

At this point I need to decide if I want to replace the ill fitting piece, or just buy another set of fenders.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 09:40 PM   #569
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Sorry if you already answered this but I didn't see it anywhere in your post. (Which helped me a ton in my 5.9 swap! Thank you so much for sharing your experience) Have you hooked up the AC yet? I haven't hooked mine up completely because I want it to look clean otherwise I would just use some splices and adapters.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 09:49 PM   #570
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I did not hook up any A/C. My donor had A/C, but my Jeep did not, so I never bothered. I did keep the compressor from the donor with hopes of using it as OBA compressor at some point.
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