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post #286 of 746 Old 01-14-2013, 11:09 AM
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Dump it after the skid plate. I don't think I will bother with making the bends over the rear axle because when I do something with the suspension, I'm going to 4-link it and would have to trash it anyways.
Don't think it will put exhaust in the cab at a stop light with the top off?

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I doubt it. With the top off, there's nowhere for it to collect. Think about old Corvettes, or even v8 CJs, with side pipes. Have you ever run with the rear window removed but the top up? That's when I notice the exhaust smell.

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I got the care package from Summit today. Their shipping is amazing. Ordered at 11 am, on my porch 3 pm the next day.

I started fiddling with the exhaust a bit. This:

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Take a look at where the driver side exits the header collector. It looks like I'll have to make a bend away from the engine, then forward to clear the sump in the oil pan.
...turned out to not be an issue. I slapped a 45 on that header and it clears the block and sump and runs nicely under the oil pan. The passenger side is more of an issue; packaging will be real tight. I tried to cut one of the 180 pieces in half and it cut crooked. There's no way I'm going to be able to cut the bends without a chop saw. I'm going shopping tomorrow.

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Had a productive day at the junkyard today. Didn't get everything I wanted, but plenty to keep me busy for now.

I found a "Taurus" two speed electric fan, but it was in a 3.0 Taurus, not a 3.8 as everything I've read would indicate. 8C607 is the Ford part number, and the three-wire connection indicated it was the right unit. The shroud was cracked a little, and I didn't notice until later that the fan grille was cracked pretty bad. I may not use this one, or perhaps build my own shroud with this motor. I tested the motor and it works.

I also found an air intake and filter box from a V6 Dodge Dakota. I was looking for a V8 Durango or Dakota, but the V6 fits fine. (More details below.)

Finally, I got a transmission cable bracket from a Dodge Ram van. Looks like it will do exactly what I need. Forgot to take a pic of the bracket, but I'll add one later.

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The Ram truck air intake doesn't fit under the Jeep's hood because the filter sits on top of the engine. I've read that the V8 Durango air intake plumbing fits well. I couldn't find a Durango, but I found a V6 Dakota around the same year that looked like it would work. I measured and it was the same size so I grabbed it.



Because the Ram attached to the throttle body via a clamp around the bottom, and the Dakota used a threaded shaft in the middle and a nut, I had to make sure to get that too. This thing bolted right up:



It seems to clear the hood, but just barely. The trans dipstick is in the way of the intake, but I can bend that. Undecided on the filter and the rest of the plumbing at this point, but this give me plenty of choices.


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I got the downpipe done today too. Here's some of the pieces included in the kit I bought:



I also bought a pipe clamp to help hold the pieces together while I tacked them together. Worth the $20:



Since I have so little room to work with, I wanted to get the two pipes from each side joined together in as short a distance as possible. The 2-to-1 collector ended up next to the upper control arm. I'm going to have to get one bend for the rest of the exhaust. I welded it all up and it fit well.


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I updated the posts. I wanted to keep them all together.


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That makes sense, I just deleted my post because I felt like an idiot when the pics started showing up I am painting tonight
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I didn't get the springs yesterday because they didn't pull them, and when I asked about them, guy said he'd charge me about as much as new springs for the labor to pull them. Thanks, but no thanks.

The electric fan looks like it will fit with some trimming. I tried to find another fan in better shape, so I called the other local yard. They didn't have one either. I also asked about a Volvo controller, but they couldn't find one, and I didn't have the model list handy. Dude said they had a Volvo 525, but I don't think Volvo ever made a 525 model. He didn't seem too interested in leaving whatever chair he was holding down at the moment, so I'm done with this place. They used to be pretty helpful 10+ years ago, but they've gone significantly downhill. The never called me back when I needed a shifter, and anytime they do have something, it's like pulling teeth with them. **** it.

I tried pushing the drivetrain up to see if I could fit the mech fan, but it only gained me 3/4 of an inch at the top, which is not enough. Electric fan is going to have to work.

I also need a 3" bend for the exhaust because the collector ended up at a 15 angle. I order that this morning, and got raped because the order was so small. But, I know it will ship same day, so it's worth it.

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Exhaust work looks good so far.

I like that pipe clamp, I've never seen that tool before. I looked around online and bought 4 of them, the 6" ones that clamp up to 2". They should really help me with building my headers.

If you can't find a decent used Taurus fan, rockauto.com sells brand new 3.8L Taurus fans for $85.00.

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Thanks. Your headers look much better.

I found the clamp at Tractor Supply. I don't think there was a name brand on it, but it said "Unique Clamp," so maybe that was it. Hobart has one too.

I got two Taurus fans today that are in really good shape for $40 today.

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I found the clamps on cyberweld.com. They are a smaller version of what you have, with a 1" to 2" clamping range, and the price was smaller too, just $11.65 each. I've found that when trying to figure out how to build headers, it's impossible for one person to hold together 4 pieces of tubing, so I'm hoping these clamps will help me out with that.

Good score on getting both fans for $40.00! You can keep the second as a backup in case the installed motor gives up the ghost prematurely.

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I found the clamps on cyberweld.com. They are a smaller version of what you have, with a 1" to 2" clamping range, and the price was smaller too, just $11.65 each. I've found that when trying to figure out how to build headers, it's impossible for one person to hold together 4 pieces of tubing, so I'm hoping these clamps will help me out with that.

Good score on getting both fans for $40.00! You can keep the second as a backup in case the installed motor gives up the ghost prematurely.


That was the exact trouble I was having. I was holding one piece in each hand, and one in my mouth, then I had to figure out how to tack them. If I ever did more exhaust work, I would definitely buy a few more.

The first fan I grabbed looks like it was an aftermarket direct replacement because I couldn't find the Ford stamp on it. But it appeared to be in good shape. The second one is a Ford part. I also have that one with the cracked shroud, so I think I'll pull the motor from that one and use that as the trail spare.

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The shifter for the transmission is all set. Anyone following along will remember that any of the brackets I tried didn't hold the cable in the right place to clear everything. Discussed HERE on page 9.



I ended up finding a transmission cable bracket out of a Dodge Ram Van. I was looking for a 3 speed van, but the first one I crawled under had a bracket the looked correct, so I grabbed it. H/T to Ryan (rda616) for the suggestion on the van bracket. I also grabbed the entire shift cable, TV arm and cable, manual shift arm and all the associated bracketry from that Van. I only ended up using the bracket and the shift arm from the Van. The TV arm was identical to the one my Dodge had, so I saw no point in changing it. I used the Jeep 30RH/32RH cable and it snapped right into the Van shift arm.

Recall that the Ram was a column shift. Because of that, it had some crazy linkage to shift the transmission. Where the bracket should hold the shift cable, there was interference with the transmission housing. Here's the three for comparison. Notice the Van bracket moves the cable downward. (Brackets L to R; Ram column shift, Jeep 3-speed auto; Van auto.)



Further, when I positioned the shift cable, the gears didn't match between the transmission and the shifter. I.E.: If I started with both the tranny and shifter in park and clicked through the gears, the transmission only made it into 2 when the shift lever was in 1. The Ram shift arm was too long. The Van was shorter and worked fine. Also notice the flat spot where the arm attaches to the transmission. This caused the Van arm to be "clocked" to the rear a little, which is also what I needed to fit the cable in there. (Van on right; Ram on left.)



The Ram arm also angled downward. Where the bracket puts the cable, it was too low. The Van is pretty much level. (Van on top; Ram on bottom.)



I used a 30RH/32RH shift cable out of a TJ and it connected to the Van bracket and shift arm with no problem. The Van shift cable was twice as long as the TJ. I did have to tweak the bracket a little because the Van arm put Park a little further back than the Ram arm. This also helped with the cable routing. After a little adjustment, it seems to be hitting all the gears correctly.

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I also started fitting up the electric fan yesterday. The fan itself is offset to one side in the shroud. I ended up installing the fan upside down to move it toward the passenger side. It clears the water pump snout because the fan motor is below and next to the pulley. I believe I took this pic before I started trimming the shroud:



It was a little tight, but fit without touching. I trimmed the shroud a little because the old mounting boss cast into the shroud held the fan away from the radiator too far. I basically cut about 1/2 all the way around the shroud. I need to finish figuring out how to mount the fan to the radiator. I picked up some 10 gauge wire and a 40 amp relay so I can at least run the fan with a switch for now. I've been having a hard time getting the fan controller I want.

I did a few other odds and ends yesterday. I changed out the 4WD indicator switch on the t-case because it failed. I took the headers off so I could apply some sealant and torque them down now that I have the downpipe built, and one of the bolts broke in head. (!!!!!!) I was using a torque wrench set at 25 lbs, per the instructions. Not sure what happened there, but I need to find another bolt, and stock ones won't work because the mounting flange is way different.

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