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Unread 01-06-2013, 09:13 AM   #241
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The grille painting didn't go that well. Couldn't get the primer to stick / dry / seal. Started over this morning.

Buddy that I bought the Ram truck from came over last night and we replaced the final brake line and bled the rears. Now all the steel lines have been replaced.

I'm going to keep working the paint today, and research what fan I can use.

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Unread 01-06-2013, 11:42 AM   #242
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Done yet?
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Unread 01-06-2013, 11:47 AM   #243
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Paint is going on better today, probably because I'm not rushing it. I'm still researching the fan thing. Because the water pump isn't close enough to center, I need to run an electric. But, I need to find an electric that is thin enough to fit with the clearance I have available, ~4.25 inches.
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Paint is going on better today, probably because I'm not rushing it. I'm still researching the fan thing. Because the water pump isn't close enough to center, I need to run an electric. But, I need to find an electric that is thin enough to fit with the clearance I have available, ~4.25 inches.
You can paint my bumper and cloaks when I get them
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Unread 01-06-2013, 11:58 AM   #245
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As long as you want a spray bomb job....
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As long as you want a spray bomb job....
So you finally decided to go electric...is there a reason why you don't want to just trim the fan you have?
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Unread 01-06-2013, 12:08 PM   #247
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So you finally decided to go electric...is there a reason why you don't want to just trim the fan you have?
This is why. Basically, I feel that putting a fan small enough to fit will degrade my cooling capacity.

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I tried putting the Jeep fan on just for fitment, and it contacts the top of the fan shroud. I measured from the threaded snout on the water pump pulley to the top and bottom of the shroud and it's way off. 8" to the top, about 10.75" to the bottom. It's as if the engine is sitting way too high. The engine mounts were installed exactly as AA spec'd, and as low as I'd ever want them. In fact, they are a little too low for my liking, but I wasn't going to try to move them.

So even if I cut that Dodge fan down to 9" or less, that leaves over 2" at the bottom of the shroud open with no fan blowing across. I'm not sure what affect that would have on my cooling? I have a little room at the top where I could move the shroud up by redrilling the holes, but I'd estimate that only gaining me about 0.5".
Maybe I could build my own shroud?
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Maybe I could build my own shroud?
Might be cheaper haha.
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Unread 01-06-2013, 12:17 PM   #249
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Maybe. I might still have other clearance issues to worry about too.
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Unread 01-06-2013, 12:18 PM   #250
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But I do like the idea of the two speed fan with a defeat switch.
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Unread 01-06-2013, 01:00 PM   #251
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I would look at fan designs, the shroud is only there to channel the air, an oscillating fan has no shroud and it still pushes air, the shroud is only there to prevent the fan from taking air from the surrounding areas and only allowing air to be drawn from across the radiator, as well as a safety feature to prevent contact with the fan blade when the engine is running...the fact that it is not centered or that it sits higher or lower is a non issue. Whether you build a shroud, or modify one, whether you trim the arc at the bottom of the shroud, you will be fine. Most shrouds are not centered, most clutches do not sit in the center of the radiator either....
I think you may be over thinking this fan thing...
I also think you may be convinced you want the electric fan, but can't commit :laugh
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Unread 01-06-2013, 01:07 PM   #252
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You are probably correct on all counts, especially the inability to commit.

Anyone know how deep the Taurus fan is?
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Unread 01-06-2013, 01:10 PM   #253
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I guess I think about failures, if you are out wheeling and your electric fan tanks, whether your motor is running or your wheels are turning, it's gonna leave you in a bad way, with a mechanical fan if your motor is running, and the wheels are turning, your engine is cooling(assuming your other cooling system components are doing their job) and a thermal fan clutch failure is almost a never happening event... When it fails, it typically seizes to always on..
This is the angle I am coming from when building my jeeps, what is gonna work and is least likely to fail... Electric motor fail rates are higher than thermal clutches
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Unread 01-06-2013, 02:55 PM   #254
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But I do like the idea of the two speed fan with a defeat switch.
When you say "defeat switch", do you mean a manual on/off switch?

Are you too far along to move the engine back, in order to gain more room for an electric fan? I had to do that with my V8 magnum conversion, but my engine is more old school, it just has the magnum heads. I relocated mine back because I was dead set on using a '95 Ford T-bird fan, which is the same as the vaunted Lincoln MKVIII fan, except it has a 2 speed motor instead of a variable speed motor. It's 5-1/2" deep, and I have 3/16" clearance at the water pump pulley bolts.
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I guess I think about failures, if you are out wheeling and your electric fan tanks, whether your motor is running or your wheels are turning, it's gonna leave you in a bad way, with a mechanical fan if your motor is running, and the wheels are turning, your engine is cooling(assuming your other cooling system components are doing their job) and a thermal fan clutch failure is almost a never happening event... When it fails, it typically seizes to always on..
This is the angle I am coming from when building my jeeps, what is gonna work and is least likely to fail... Electric motor fail rates are higher than thermal clutches
And for that reason, I'll have a spare fan motor packed away in my rig when I hit the trails.
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