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Unread 08-20-2013, 12:39 PM   #466
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Screw FJ's.
I'm with him. I told my wife "remember that awesome TJ-6 which (and I had to explain to her what a TJ-6 was), well that guy wants to sell it and maybe get a FJ-Cruiser. Her reply was "lame". I was waiting for her to tell me I could buy it but that didn't happen.

If you are looking for creature comforts and such, get an LJ. I may be suffering from old man syndrome a little early in life, but when I started to build my LJ comfort was to always be as equally important as off-road improvements. My previous Jeep was a TJ which I beat on since I was 16, and it was anything but comfy. In the LJ, carpet, nice seat covers, hard top, keeping the suspension low and running 33's is the name of the game. Its still capable with the ARB lockers and the fact that it is a Jeep.

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Unread 08-20-2013, 01:01 PM   #467
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That works too. I ended up doing that when I started having issues as well.

It's crazy how they hold their value, so understood on the 2010+... the pre '10's are 99% the same. I think the only difference is the fender-well, and the oil filter location (which is infinitely better on the 2007-2009).

Edit: Something else i thought of. The rear lower control arms are extremely weak. Very prone to bending on rocks. A lot of guys take them, cut off the stock ends, and weld them to some 1/4" DOM. I picked up a set like that, and got a lot of use out of them.

Resale value is huge on the FJ. That's why I'm looking at Xterras or maybe even a WJ depending on how much I get for the Jeep. Control arms are no problem. I would just make some new ones with MC joints.
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I was at the Toyata dealer in Tacoma one snowy afternoon and I very nearly bought a black FJ. Somehow my better senses kicked in and I bought a house instead. Oh, the joys of responsibility...

Now that I look back, I should have bought the FJ, by the time I would have payed it off is when housing prices were rock bottom. Damn...
If only we could only predict the future!
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Screw FJ's.
Screw buying a Honda Civic for a DD.
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I'm with him. I told my wife "remember that awesome TJ-6 which (and I had to explain to her what a TJ-6 was), well that guy wants to sell it and maybe get a FJ-Cruiser. Her reply was "lame". I was waiting for her to tell me I could buy it but that didn't happen.

If you are looking for creature comforts and such, get an LJ. I may be suffering from old man syndrome a little early in life, but when I started to build my LJ comfort was to always be as equally important as off-road improvements. My previous Jeep was a TJ which I beat on since I was 16, and it was anything but comfy. In the LJ, carpet, nice seat covers, hard top, keeping the suspension low and running 33's is the name of the game. Its still capable with the ARB lockers and the fact that it is a Jeep.
I agree, I am pretty lame. Part of it is getting older, and part of it is needing a platform to explore the wonderful area I live in.

I don't think I've outlined it, but here are the things I need in a rig.

1. Good ride quality on and off road. Low NVH. Ability to dive LONG distance in comfort.
2. Good climate control / A/C
3. Secure (90% of the point of this rig will be photography, and I don't want my gear jacked)
4. I'm somewhat of a geek, so buttons and lights are cool (IE: LR3)
5. Need to be proud to drive (looks cool)
6. Ability to reliably run a 33" tire
7. Ability to hold gear reliably (Xterra has great tie downs in the back)
8. Not super important, but large enough to sleep in
9. Not too large though (IE: 100 series land cruiser)
10. 2 speed transfer case
11. Reliable, or ability to be made reliable somewhat easily
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Unread 08-20-2013, 01:07 PM   #468
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1. Good ride quality on and off road. Low NVH. Ability to dive LONG distance in comfort.
2. Good climate control / A/C
3. Secure (90% of the point of this rig will be photography, and I don't want my gear jacked)
4. I'm somewhat of a geek, so buttons and lights are cool (IE: LR3)
5. Need to be proud to drive (looks cool)
6. Ability to reliably run a 33" tire
7. Ability to hold gear reliably (Xterra has great tie downs in the back)
8. Not super important, but large enough to sleep in
9. Not too large though (IE: 100 series land cruiser)
10. 2 speed transfer case
11. Reliable, or ability to be made reliable somewhat easily
1,2,and 3 are where your might fall short. Rethink the improvements to those 3 items and you have an awesome #5 that you BUILT with your own hands. How many people can say they have built what the DD???
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Unread 08-20-2013, 01:08 PM   #469
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I don't think I've outlined it, but here are the things I need in a rig.

1. Good ride quality on and off road. Low NVH. Ability to dive LONG distance in comfort.
2. Good climate control / A/C
3. Secure (90% of the point of this rig will be photography, and I don't want my gear jacked)
4. I'm somewhat of a geek, so buttons and lights are cool (IE: LR3)
5. Need to be proud to drive (looks cool)
6. Ability to reliably run a 33" tire
7. Ability to hold gear reliably (Xterra has great tie downs in the back)
8. Not super important, but large enough to sleep in
9. Not too large though (IE: 100 series land cruiser)
10. 2 speed transfer case
11. Reliable, or ability to be made reliable somewhat easily

Sounds like a man that NEEDS a Moab edition JKU.
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Unread 08-20-2013, 01:08 PM   #470
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Screw buying a Honda Civic for a DD.

Hey, it meets 80% of your criteria.
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Unread 08-20-2013, 01:22 PM   #471
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1,2,and 3 are where your might fall short. Rethink the improvements to those 3 items and you have an awesome #5 that you BUILT with your own hands. How many people can say they have built what the DD???
True. I'm not sure I'm at the point I want to dump another $5K into this to make it 80% of the rig I need though, although it's less about the money than ending up with what I need.
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Sounds like a man that NEEDS a Moab edition JKU.
Some different tires and a small lift would be awesome on that rig and match my needs nicely. I think I will be a little short of the $38K plus T&L needed to buy it though...
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Hey, it meets 80% of your criteria.
Touche... My co-worker has a two year old Civic SI. It's a very nice car and fun to drive for sure!
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Unread 08-20-2013, 01:48 PM   #472
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1. Good ride quality on and off road. Low NVH. Ability to dive LONG distance in comfort.
2. Good climate control / A/C
3. Secure (90% of the point of this rig will be photography, and I don't want my gear jacked)
4. I'm somewhat of a geek, so buttons and lights are cool (IE: LR3)
5. Need to be proud to drive (looks cool)
6. Ability to reliably run a 33" tire
7. Ability to hold gear reliably (Xterra has great tie downs in the back)
8. Not super important, but large enough to sleep in
9. Not too large though (IE: 100 series land cruiser)
10. 2 speed transfer case
11. Reliable, or ability to be made reliable somewhat easily
LR3 + number 11?

What about an older land cruiser? 80 series, or even a 65
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Unread 08-20-2013, 01:59 PM   #473
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LR3 + number 11?

What about an older land cruiser? 80 series, or even a 65
From what I've read, the LR3 is far more reliable than the old disco 2's. Although, I agree it wouldn't be as reliable as a Toyota - but it's not like Jeep is known for reliability.

80 series is still on the big side. (width mainly) The trails I run are pretty tight. 4 door JK, WJ, FJ, Xterra, is about is big as I want to go, although it is on the short list.
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Unread 08-20-2013, 06:22 PM   #474
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I say a 4-door JK...
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Unread 08-21-2013, 01:12 AM   #475
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while the FJ is quite popular around here it has a major flaw ... the chassis cannot take too much beating! google fj chassis problems
You could try to source a Toyota LC70 (LC76?) series ... much tougher and mega cool as SWB

The Xterra is less comfy than the FJ (rear suspension) but has a stronger chassis and is more versatile ... some countries get them with even a manual transmission. My personal favourite if one day the TJ is no more ...



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Unread 08-21-2013, 10:25 AM   #476
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I say a 4-door JK...
I'm looking at those, but even a 2007 will pretty much blow my entire Jeep fund assuming I'm getting what I'm asking for my Jeep.
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while the FJ is quite popular around here it has a major flaw ... the chassis cannot take too much beating! google fj chassis problems
You could try to source a Toyota LC70 (LC76?) series ... much tougher and mega cool as SWB

The Xterra is less comfy than the FJ (rear suspension) but has a stronger chassis and is more versatile ... some countries get them with even a manual transmission. My personal favourite if one day the TJ is no more ...



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From what I read, the FJ has issues with the inner fender structure, not the frame. If it became an issue I would just throw some metal and weld at it until it was better. The biggest issue with the FJ for me is the lack of visibility.

The Xterra looks nice, minus the "weak" front differential..... Leafs can ride ok if setup well.

I'm doing a lot of research on WK's. There are good deals on Hemi QD2 Grands that would do well with a 4" lift and 33's.

Of course I do have this in my driveway....
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Unread 08-21-2013, 10:25 AM   #477
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I may or may not have listed my Jeep on CL and a local Jeep forum last night....
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Unread 08-21-2013, 12:46 PM   #478
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WJ would be my second vote and WK my third... Hemi of course.
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Unread 08-21-2013, 02:25 PM   #479
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Did you get your harness done locally? I recognize your rig now, I sold you the sway bar at Best Buy before you did the stretch
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Unread 08-21-2013, 03:10 PM   #480
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If you sell the TJ you will want another in a year or so. It happened to me. Buy a early WK on the cheap and keep the TJ. Just lock it away in a garage somewhere for a few months and not think about it.
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