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Unread 11-25-2009, 07:40 PM   #76
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You just HAD to tease me huh? Thats just mean.

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Unread 11-25-2009, 09:26 PM   #77
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i would like to see the whole jeep with the new tube fenders on there... bet it looks sick.
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Unread 11-29-2009, 01:04 PM   #78
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OK, finally got a chance last night to snap a couple of pics of the new Metalcloaks! Install went very well. All in all, it took about 6-8 hours of actual working time per side to do. I took a little longer as I cleaned up and re-painted all the factory hardware that was re-used in the install. Takes awhile for paint to dry

On the passenger's side, the install was 99% perfect. The only modification I had to make was with the stock battery tray. It wouldn't fit on the new bracket. So, I just "lengthened" the holes on the stock tray to fit the bracket. Not a big deal, just an extra 15 minutes and another coat of paint on the tray.

On the driver's side, the install went well, but I had to do a few little modifications to get all the OEM accessories to fit. First, the accessory tray was similar to the battery tray in that the holes didn't line up on the bracket. Easy fix. Next, the OEM brackets on the fender components weren't made for these fenders.
1. On the horn, just straightened out the little "pin" part of the bracket.
2. For the washer fluid reservoir, Metalcloak includes a "bent" bracket that works great! I trimmed off the plastic tab on the bottom of the reservoir as well so it fits flush.
3. Next was the Transmission Control Module. There was no way this was fitting on the fender. It's not mentioned in the instructions either so my guess is the Jeep they used for the design didn't have the 42RLE. Anyway, I just took a couple of crescent wrenches and bent the bracket to fit against the fender, then drilled a couple of holes for mounting. Of note, Metalcloak includes plenty of extra bolts, washers, & lock nuts in the hardware package. This was much appreciated!
4. Finally, the vacuum center. Same as the TCM, just had to bend the bracket and poke a couple new holes in the inner fender.

I'm extremely happy with the results. As the pics previously showed, plenty of new clearance under there. I used their new "low profile" LED lights and they work great. Also, very easy to install. I still need to loom-up the wires and tuck everything away, but I'll do that later this afternoon.

I would recommend having a buddy help, but this can easily be done by one guy in a home garage.



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Unread 11-29-2009, 01:28 PM   #79
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Looking real good!!
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Unread 11-29-2009, 02:05 PM   #80
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Looks nice! You plan on doing anything with the rear fenders?
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Unread 11-29-2009, 04:41 PM   #81
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Looks nice! You plan on doing anything with the rear fenders?
Thanks! Yeah, there's not much room above the rear tires right now

I have some 4" coils waiting to go in when I get the shocks. I also need to trim the flares an inch or so when I install the new aluminum corners
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Unread 12-05-2009, 12:18 AM   #82
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Looks good. Just one note on the springs. The reason you only got 1.5" of lift is due to the Rubicon springs. They are 1" taller than non Rubicon TJ springs. Thanks for supporting the economy though.
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Unread 12-05-2009, 07:40 AM   #83
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Looks good. Just one note on the springs. The reason you only got 1.5" of lift is due to the Rubicon springs. They are 1" taller than non Rubicon TJ springs. Thanks for supporting the economy though.
Sorry to let you know, but they're not. This has been hashed out ad nauseum on multiple threads on this forum and others. All TJ springs are the same height. The only difference is the spring rate. Hardtop Rubi TJs, LJs, etc. were equipped with the stiffer springs. Sure, if I put my OEM Rubi springs on the '97 SE I used to have, it would have probably "lifted" it a good inch. But, that's NOT due to spring height. It's because that '97 had sagged like a cow's udder. Adding the Rubi springs would've simply restored the '97's original ride height.


Anyway, MOST of the time, DC equipped TJs with a specific spring rate due to weight. So a '97 SE with a 4cy softop would get lighter springs than an '06 TJ Unlimited (LJ) with a hardtop. All in all there were around 8 different combinations of springs. Apparently Rubis came with the stiffest springs as part of the Rubi ensemble, not simply due to weight.

Chew on this: Don't you think if Rubi springs were "1 inch taller than non-Rubi TJ springs", the vendors that make suspension components would have separate lifts for Rubis? Or at least say "lift will yield 1" less on Rubis because you're already higher?" No, because it simply isn't the case.

The bottom line is the RC 2.5" progressive lift with 2.2 shocks only lifted my STOCK TJ around 1.5" depending on the measured point as I posted before. Now, with all the "stuff" weighing it down, plus all the other "stuff" soon going on, necessitated the new lift with HD springs. I would be willing to bet that a great majority of people installing the RC lift DO NOT take the time to measure their Jeep at different points before and after the install to see how much lift the suspension actually yields. Instead they use the "eyeball" measure which ends up sounding like "wow it looks good, and I spent $300 on it, I MUST'VE gotten more than I paid for!"
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Unread 12-12-2009, 07:07 PM   #84
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Had a little fun today in the garage. My wonderful Jeep-chick wife bought a new accessory. Originally I was going to put it on the back of the Jeep next to the tail light, but didn't want to wait until I have the corners on. So we found the perfect place for it:



Yes, I like Beck's...


Also took a couple pics of the Jeep to compare one side with the flares and one side without:







I also got a spacer and new bolt to attach the bracket of the TCM to the inner fender:



Other than that, I spent a good hour cleaning up the wiring with some looms and zip-ties.

I think I found the problem with the high-beam indicator that was giving me fits after the LED install. Just one little blurb in the FSM. I'm going to try it tomorrow and if it works, I'll post it up.
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Unread 12-13-2009, 04:13 PM   #85
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Finished up switching out the Guages, HVAC, Rocker Switches, Shifter, & Dome lights with LEDs. My photography skills are crap! I had the garage completely dark. In retrospect, a little light would've cut down on the camera glare. Everything looks great though! I used the single LEDs in the HVAC, Rocker Switches, & Guages and the triple LED in the shifter. You can tell a difference (the shifter is very bright). I may go to triple LEDs all around later...

Dome light:


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Now I just need to get a new head unit to match!
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Unread 12-13-2009, 04:37 PM   #86
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Nice Build!!! Did I see somewhere that you had Savvy Rockers waiting to be installed... I'll be interested to see how those mate up with the Metalcloak fenders... I'm thinking long term plane for Metalcloak Fenders (unless Savvy releases something) and replacing my A2Z Rockers with Savvy...
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Unread 12-13-2009, 04:54 PM   #87
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Nice Build!!! Did I see somewhere that you had Savvy Rockers waiting to be installed... I'll be interested to see how those mate up with the Metalcloak fenders... I'm thinking long term plane for Metalcloak Fenders (unless Savvy releases something) and replacing my A2Z Rockers with Savvy...
Thanks! Yep, I just need to get them trimmed to fit with the fenders. Luckily I have tons of time off during the holidays. Just depends on the weather. If it's snowing, the garage belongs to the wife & kids. If it's fair weather, I get the space

Anyway, so far it looks like I'll just have to trim the aluminum rocker guard and NOT the SS slider. The only place the slider might have an interference is with the "ball" where the flare attaches to the fender. If it doesn't fit, I'll have to decide which one gets to meet the grinder

I honestly thought I'd have more done by now, but little things come up and "next weekend" becomes "next month."

If all goes well by Spring I won't have any excuses NOT to have them on
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Unread 12-13-2009, 05:28 PM   #88
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I lost track of your build for awhile but I'm back.

Couple of question for you and if you've already answered them I apologize. I did not read back thru all the posts.

How bad are the 35's on 4.11's? I kinda wish I had gone with them but didn't want to mess with re-gearing. Probably would have been OK with the 6 speed that I have. The 285/75/16's didn't mess with the gearing hardly at all. Great choice on tires. I love mine.

The slight gap between the inner fenders and the top of the spring perch, is that a result of the body lift? It doesn't really bother me as I don't have a bodylift on my Jeep. Just curiosity really.

I'm looking at the metalcloaks also but would likely go with the flat tube ones that I fell in love with at the recent off road expo here in so cal.

Jeep looks great man.
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Unread 12-13-2009, 05:59 PM   #89
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I lost track of your build for awhile but I'm back.

Couple of question for you and if you've already answered them I apologize. I did not read back thru all the posts.

How bad are the 35's on 4.11's? I kinda wish I had gone with them but didn't want to mess with re-gearing. Probably would have been OK with the 6 speed that I have. The 285/75/16's didn't mess with the gearing hardly at all. Great choice on tires. I love mine.

The slight gap between the inner fenders and the top of the spring perch, is that a result of the body lift? It doesn't really bother me as I don't have a bodylift on my Jeep. Just curiosity really.

I'm looking at the metalcloaks also but would likely go with the flat tube ones that I fell in love with at the recent off road expo here in so cal.

Jeep looks great man.
Concerning gears, I NEED 5.13s as soon as I get to it. It's just fine running with the overdrive off, but I'd like to be able to use the OD and have the low-end power. For me it's tolerable. It may sound funny, but when it comes to the more "driver-input" type thing, I like to use the wife-test. Alot of times she doesn't know what I'm working on, just that I'm in the garage. I'll add something and see if she notices She loved the new tires, but I swear the first thing she said was "what did you do to the brakes?" Needless to say, I had the new front rotors and Yellows on quick. I've heard her mention a few times now that the Jeep doesn't have the same power as before. So, it's not only me... Gears are rising on the priority list.

Actually it was due to her complaint that the Jeep rode rougher with the 35s that led me to check the air pressure. The tire shop had put 45 pounds of pressure in them! Now they're at 26 and everyone is happy.

Yes, the gap is due to the body lift. The fenders are 2-piece. The inners, while attached to the body, are made to conform perfectly to the frame & shock mounts. With the body lifted, you get the gap. I haven't decided if I'm going to worry about it or not. I still have the rubber fender liner from the OEM fenders that I'm thinking about trimming to fit. We'll see.

I like the Overlines as well. I think both really open things up to give you more room. The install should be about the same as from what I can tell only the outer fenders & flares are different.

Thanks for the compliment. Bunch of other stuff to do, just boils down to time. Once this one is "done", if there is such a thing, I'll be looking for another to try something different. Hopefully we'll have a his-n-hers someday
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Unread 12-13-2009, 06:04 PM   #90
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Wow, amazing Rubi build. If I had the chance to do one, I am pretty sure it would come close to yours. Keep it up man, looks great!
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