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Unread 05-22-2013, 09:17 PM   #5086
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Why not the 60/14 combo? Are you steering away from tons b/c of ground clearance loss and their weight?

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Unread 05-22-2013, 09:25 PM   #5087
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Why not the 60/14 combo? Are you steering away from tons b/c of ground clearance loss and their weight?
Haven't you noticed that Connor likes to do things differently.
It works for him though, he knows what he is doing
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Unread 05-22-2013, 09:28 PM   #5088
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My opinion, but anyone swapping tons and going any less than a 40" tire is wasting their time. Running 37's on tons gives you the clearance of 33's on 1/4 ton axles. JK axles are perfect for 37-38" tires. Good width, good strength, massive aftermarket, relativity lightweight and good ground clearance and affordable. I'm surprised more people don't run them
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Unread 05-22-2013, 09:47 PM   #5089
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My opinion, but anyone swapping tons and going any less than a 40" tire is wasting their time. Running 37's on tons gives you the clearance of 33's on 1/4 ton axles. JK axles are perfect for 37-38" tires. Good width, good strength, massive aftermarket, relativity lightweight and good ground clearance and affordable. I'm surprised more people don't run them
Well here is a moral to that story, when you feel you need 37" tires, you most likely end up going bigger. It pays to look ahead, saves time and monet now
My wheelin bud stretched his to 103" wheelbase, saw mine climb better stretched it to 107". Mine still climbed better, so guess what happened it now has a 111" wheelbase. I just started with 111" wheelbase and been happy.
Did the same with the axles D60 and 14 bolt, works well with 37" tires, 37" sticky tires, 39" tires and 40" sticky tires. All the money he spend on stretching his rig I spend on tires lol. But my rig has stayed the same and has worked very well from day one. Made a few small alteration, but other than that it has just been wheeled hard for the last 3 years without any serious breakage. three years of Hammers wheelin and all the damage has been 1 broken control arm bolt and a busted Currie JJ ball.
Pays to look ahead when building your dream Jeep
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Unread 05-22-2013, 10:04 PM   #5090
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You have to build your dream Jeep for your area though. It's very easy to overbuild a Jeep and make it completely boring for the areas you spend the majority of you time wheeling. You can get away pretty quickly from something that is a great DD to something that gets pulled on a trailer everywhere.

Sometimes there is a difference between what you think you want, and what is that perfect Jeep for you and your needs.

I'm on around Jeep number 10, so I'm starting to figure out what that is for me.
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Unread 05-22-2013, 10:17 PM   #5091
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You have to build your dream Jeep for your area though. It's very easy to overbuild a Jeep and make it completely boring for the areas you spend the majority of you time wheeling. You can get away pretty quickly from something that is a great DD to something that gets pulled on a trailer everywhere.

Sometimes there is a difference between what you think you want, and what is that perfect Jeep for you and your needs.

I'm on around Jeep number 10, so I'm starting to figure out what that is for me.
I knew what I wanted and what I wanted it for. What I envisioned is what I built from scratch and it has done everything I wanted it to do.
Still have my lil Jeep and enjoy driving it every day to work.
Come wheelin time, the big Jeep comes out every time, it's just so much more fun to drive, blowing through the desert and puttering over rocks.
On top of that it is a lot easier on my body,don't ache not anywhere near as bad at the end of the day of wheelin.
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Unread 05-23-2013, 08:04 AM   #5092
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Have you ever just thought about picking up a pair of D60s and building them? Relatively cheap compared to some of your other plans; proven reliability; readily available.....
It's not nearly as simple as "picking up some 60's." First off, if I were to ever put a 60 up front, it would be a Ford SD HP60 from a 99-04 or 05+. Awesome axles and if I ever decide to run 42's on this Jeep, there's a good chance that will happen. And as much as I would love 42's on this Jeep, I'm having trouble justifying anything over 37's, especially since I'm so happy with them. Secondly, I wouldn't put a 60 in the rear. That would either be a Sterling or FF14. Third, I'm looking to definitively put a stop to the building of this Jeep, at least in terms of the drivetrain and suspension. This gets me to that point much sooner than if big axles and big tires were in the plans. And I can tell you right now, the big axles would cost me more than these will, and not just the axles but the supporting modifications as well.
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Damn boy you got a bad case of builders fever. Will be an awesome rig when you finally get it where you really want it though Connor.
Don't forget to have fun with your Jeep though. In the end that is what it's all about, having a good time with it, be it wheeling or building or both
What can I say, Art? I get tired of building but after a little time off, I've got the itch again. I'm having a great time with the Jeep right now....been driving it for two weeks straight, it's close to being wheelable, and it's in an overall good place right now. I should have a great summer/fall of wheeling and be ready to throw these axles under it late fall or early winter, just in time for next spring's wheeling season.
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Why not the 60/14 combo? Are you steering away from tons b/c of ground clearance loss and their weight?
With 37's, definitely. This Jeep has always been about functionality, light weight and great clearance. I plan to keep it that way.
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Haven't you noticed that Connor likes to do things differently.
It works for him though, he knows what he is doing
Thanks Art.
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My opinion, but anyone swapping tons and going any less than a 40" tire is wasting their time. Running 37's on tons gives you the clearance of 33's on 1/4 ton axles. JK axles are perfect for 37-38" tires. Good width, good strength, massive aftermarket, relativity lightweight and good ground clearance and affordable. I'm surprised more people don't run them
Yep, these axles should be hella for stout once I'm done. Not too much, not too little. Just right.
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Unread 05-23-2013, 11:18 AM   #5093
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My opinion, but anyone swapping tons and going any less than a 40" tire is wasting their time. Running 37's on tons gives you the clearance of 33's on 1/4 ton axles.
One of the best comparisons I've heard, yet. Nicely done.

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Third, I'm looking to definitively put a stop to the building of this Jeep...
What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?

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...at least in terms of the drivetrain and suspension.
That's better.
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Unread 05-23-2013, 02:26 PM   #5094
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I could use some factory rubber body mounts, mainly the steel sleeve portion. If anyone has any in good condition that they'd like to sell for a fair price, please let me know. I've got plenty of body mount parts I could trade as well--1" Daystar mounts, JKS 1.25" pucks, etc.

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Unread 05-23-2013, 03:49 PM   #5095
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Connor, I understand where you are coming from and certainly not trying to challenge your plan. You've spent more time under your Jeep than i have in the driver's seat of mine! knowing you though, I see 40s+ in your not so distant future. As far as the axle combo, think that there are MANY ways to skin that cat. Any "ton" combo should be pretty bullet proof unless you plan on doing some stupid sh--.
A buddy of mine is having Scott Morris build him a KP 60 and shaved FF14 with chromos and ARBs to put under his stretched early Bronco. He's charging him $5500-6000 for everything. Money well spent in my mind.
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Unread 05-23-2013, 04:48 PM   #5096
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If you want bigger tires, build a buggy. I personally like driving my Jeep and the look of full body Jeeps on the roads. When I build more 37's is where it will end. No need to spend all kinds of money when you can build a buggy from scratch and at your own pace. I would rather drive my jeep and have little down time then spend another year building after a long build just recently. Look what Art is doing, he is build a buggy side project. At his pace too. That way you would risk you 10k jeep not being road friendly
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Unread 05-23-2013, 05:08 PM   #5097
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If you want bigger tires, build a buggy. I personally like driving my Jeep and the look of full body Jeeps on the roads. When I build more 37's is where it will end. No need to spend all kinds of money when you can build a buggy from scratch and at your own pace. I would rather drive my jeep and have little down time then spend another year building after a long build just recently. Look what Art is doing, he is build a buggy side project. At his pace too. That way you would risk you 10k jeep not being road friendly
Not to rain on your parade, but I got 2 Jeeps and the one with the big boat anchors on it, is actually a better street driver, it's a ton of fun on bunny trails on 37's. Doesn't suffer from all the death wobble crap.
Don't knock the big axles till you actually tried them. 14 bolt cost me 200 bucks for the axle. 800 for the arb and 220 for gear and 80 bucks or so for the diff cover. That's all the money I spend on it. 79 D60 housing with new rotors and hubs cost me 1000, then gears 180. ARB 750, 35 spline chromos and U joints was about 550 or so. the outers 35 spline stubs cost me about 300.
200 bucks for warn hubs or yukon drive slugs take your pick. 70 bucks for a set of rebuild GM calipers another 70 or so for stock GM brake hoses and another 89 or so for a diff cover. So roughly 4500 bucks for 2 axles all done up for some serious abuse and very good street manners. Granted that was the biggest chunk of cash I layed out on my Jeep.
Do the math for 2 Dana 44's of any persuasion and see what you come up with. Here is another not so well know fact, the Dana 44 JK chromo axle shafts use the same spicer 760x U joints the TJ's do. So RCV's would be a good thing to put on your parts list for one of those.

The Dana 44 in my lil Jeep cost me roughly 2450 after a ARB, a few gear changes and Superior chromos.
The front 100 bucks for the HP D30 housing 750 for the ARB, about 600 for the Superior EVO shafts. 200 for the TNT truss and 80 for a diff cover 400 for a couple of different gear sets so a total or 2230
Grant total of 4480 so who says that tons are that much more expensive get the calculator out. That's with me doing the regears and all other work
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Unread 05-23-2013, 05:24 PM   #5098
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I could use some factory rubber body mounts, mainly the steel sleeve portion. If anyone has any in good condition that they'd like to sell for a fair price, please let me know. I've got plenty of body mount parts I could trade as well--1" Daystar mounts, JKS 1.25" pucks, etc.

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I'm sure I have plenty of extras I don't need. I'll round 'em up tomorrow and let you know what all I've got.
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Unread 05-23-2013, 05:24 PM   #5099
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Not to rain on your parade, but I got 2 Jeeps and the one with the big boat anchors on it, is actually a better street driver, it's a ton of fun on bunny trails on 37's. Doesn't suffer from all the death wobble crap.
Don't knock the big axles till you actually tried them. 14 bolt cost me 200 bucks for the axle. 800 for the arb and 220 for gear and 80 bucks or so for the diff cover. That's all the money I spend on it. 79 D60 housing with new rotors and hubs cost me 1000, then gears 180. ARB 750, 35 spline chromos and U joints was about 550 or so. the outers 35 spline stubs cost me about 300.
200 bucks for warn hubs or yukon drive slugs take your pick. 70 bucks for a set of rebuild GM calipers another 70 or so for stock GM brake hoses and another 89 or so for a diff cover. So roughly 4500 bucks for 2 axles all done up for some serious abuse and very good street manners. Granted that was the biggest chunk of cash I layed out on my Jeep.
Do the math for 2 Dana 44's of any persuasion and see what you come up with. Here is another not so well know fact, the Dana 44 JK chromo axle shafts use the same spicer 760x U joints the TJ's do. So RCV's would be a good thing to put on your parts list for one of those.

The Dana 44 in my lil Jeep cost me roughly 2450 after a ARB, a few gear changes and Superior chromos.
The front 100 bucks for the HP D30 housing 750 for the ARB, about 600 for the Superior EVO shafts. 200 for the TNT truss and 80 for a diff cover 400 for a couple of different gear sets so a total or 2230
Grant total of 4480 so who says that tons are that much more expensive get the calculator out. That's with me doing the regears and all other work
Hit the head on the nail art. May as well build tons for 37s so you aren't stuck building again. I know alot of people with tons on 37s, and there **** straight works. You don't have to have 40s for tons by any means at all. And all in all I bet a set of tons ways 400 pounds more than a 8.8/waggy 44. And Im willing to bet they'd work better cause you can beat the dog shat out of them.
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I'm sure I have plenty of extras I don't need. I'll round 'em up tomorrow and let you know what all I've got.
Thanks bud.

Guys, I'm set on this plan. The JK 44's are happening and that's that.
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