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post #841 of 1067 Old 03-02-2013, 06:58 PM Thread Starter
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That'll work! I think I'd keep the money and leave the door that way. It has character, with a story.
Yea it adds character until I try to sell it then I have to replace the door out of my own pocket.

And my wife has used it as a reason why I have to do all that honey do crap around the house. So the sooner it gets fixed the better.

Not to mention I can't get my rig out of the garage now. LOL!

And it really is worse than the pics show. It is pushed out a good 2 feet past the wall of the house.

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I was able to get the garage door kicked back into a more flatish shape this morning so I could get my Jeep out on the road. While I was able to get the door up, I cant seem to get it back down, lol.

The test drive went fine, no vibes, it was freaking awesome. I really missed having a 5 speed and having one back reminds me why. So much fun! The NV3550 is definitely a truck transmission, it is noisy like everyone says. It shifts nice but it is definitely not as quiet and smooth as an AX15. I like it , it seems to be what a Jeep transmissions is suppose to feel like.

I got a MIL for not having the VSS hooked up and I still need to pull the tcase skid and paint it and the modded trans mount bracket. I also picked up a new trans tunnel cover and new inner and outer shifter boots. So those need to get installed.

These are the parts that I used to put the NV3550 behind my 5.3L.

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http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/a...on/kit_375.htm

Novak NV3550/AX15/NSG370 adapter plate: 375-3
Pilot bearing: PB-6071357
Adjustable throw out bearing : TB2
Flywheel ( appears to be the same as the RAM clutches 1550) : LS400-35X (I would buy a RAM Clutches 1550)

Advance adapter NV3550 NP 231 shifter bracket: 715545 (awesome bracket)

LUK clutch : 04-049

Stock Jeep master and slave (external)
Stock Jeep trans mount, slightly modded (see pic)
Stock NV3550
Stock AX15/NV3550 external slave bell housing
Under Cover Fab t-case skid. (could of used stock, mine was trash)
Extended stock backup light switch harness

Stock GM starter.

Obviously there is more than one way to skin a cat. I wanted to put the trans and tcase in a stock location. The parts I used (along with the Novak GM gen III engine mounts allowed me to do that. In the beginning Novak did NOT advise me that I needed a special flywheel, nor the adjustable throw out bearing and it cost me a couple hundred dollars and a good mount of unneeded down time and head aches. Which is something that I will be taking up with them here shortly.

Fortunately I guess for you is that because of my, we will call it feedback, Novak has updated their website to included the flywheel and adjustable throwout bearing. The Kit Novak sells is very nice, couldn't be happier with it. If I did it again I would pick up a RAM Clutches 1550 and same myself a hundred dollars plus shipping.

Now I think Novak is a great bunch of folks, I really do. But when you call them with questions it is extremely difficult to get a straight answer out of them, and Im not talking about asking general questions. Im talking about asking specific questions about their products. Im not sure why this is. I got the impression that with the kit I purchased that they were trying to keep the cost of the kit down. Which is fine but they advised me that the kit used the stock GM flywheel and clutch and the stock Jeep throwout bearing. There is no way in hell those parts work together. The measurements dont work. The new style GM clutches are .600" shorter than the older GM clutch. It just doesn't work. And you can't use a stock gm flywheel with an older clutch because you loose 30% of clutch surface due to the stock flywheel large center opening (see pics). This is why you need the RAM 1550 flywheel (not dodge Ram the brand RAM) Novak tried to tell me that there special flywheel was .400" taller than stock to get the clutch close to the transmission and Im here to tell you that is simply not true (see pic). The difference in height between a special Novak flywheel and a stock flywheel is .007" which is nothing. I didn't even mention yet that the special Novak flywheel comes in RAM Clutches box with part # 1550x. Which means it is a RAM Clutches flywheel 1550 and packaged for resale for Novak.

So that ends my Novak rant.

You may be able to use a LUK clutch 04-064 and a stock GM LS flywheel, they bolt up and the friction plate matches up to the flywheel perfectly. I actually bought one and measured it out and it probably would have worked but I couldn't find anyone using that combination of parts so I decided to use what others had. Cost me a little more money but I saw proof it worked.

If this all doesn't make sense let me know and I will edit it.
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Best 5.3 swap on the web considering all the part numbers and the fact that you used two very common transmissions as well
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Best 5.3 swap on the web considering all the part numbers and the fact that you used two very common transmissions as well
I appreciate that. But to be honest if I could go back in time. I would have never done this swap.

It has been nothing but a PITA. Now that I have the 5 speed in there I have a vibration on accel and deceal when reving the engine in neutral. It doesn't do it when its is in gear but when in neutral it does it when I rev the engine.

I have not a clue what it could be. I checked for a miss but didnt find one. The is no vibrations in the clutch.

I called a couple GMC dealers this weekend and none of them will touch it. So right now I'm kinda stuck.

I am at a lose and seriously considering my rig. It makes me sick. I have spent the better part of a year and god knows how much money for this damn thing to still not be right. Worst thing I have ever done.
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Don't quit man. Just turn the radio up until you have the energy for yet another swap. Try a new school Chevy 5 speed so you won't need to do anything special with the clutch and pilot. If they are too long, go with the super short sye, and if it's still too long, might as well hack the tub a bit and give it a little stretch man. You just need to take a break. Maybe a 5.9 swap next go around? Don't beat yourself up. There's gonna be problems every time you put something where it isn't supposed to be. What did you hate about the 4L60E again?
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Quit revving it in neutral fool! White smoke the tires if you want to make some noise. I just read that again, and although that would piss me off, for now you can drive the piss out of it and enjoy 5 quiet speeds.
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Ok I'm stupid. Read it again and finally got the accel and deck part. Refer to my first reply
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I'm broke now, no more swaps for me.

It pisses me off because there was absolutely nothing wrong with the 4.0 AX15. Not a thing. I should have at least waited until something blew. You live you learn I guess.

Untill I put the 5 speed in there were zero vibrations. I have no idea what could have gone wrong.
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Driveshaft angle a little different?
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Driveshaft angle a little different?
No vibes when driving. Only in neutral between 1500 and 2000. And I feel it in the steering wheel, in tune with the exhaust.

When I rev the motor from the throttle body the engine is perfect, no vibes. Also it idles like a dream.
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That's effin nuts. I hope it all makes since before too long
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Pilot bushing causing wobble in input shaft?
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That's effin nuts. I hope it all makes since before too long
Yea it is driving me up the wall. I'm one of those people that slight little vibes and squeaks drives me crazy.

I found a shop over by my work that said they would look at it. But I don't know I haven't ever let someone touch my rig.

I thought it was originally an out of balance flywheel, So i sent that one back and got a different one. No change.

Right now I am thinking about removing all the exhaust hangers and see if that makes a difference. Plugs and wires and pulling the belt to rule out an accessory. Also I picked up an infrared heat gun to see if there is a lazy cylinder.
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Pilot bushing causing wobble in input shaft?
No I dont think so it did this with just a flywheel bolted up. I dont feel anything in the stick shift.
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The way you describe this, are you saying that when you the vibration, the clutch pedal is pushed in? Or is the clutch pedal not a factor?

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