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Unread 02-02-2013, 03:56 PM   #781
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I got the Novak adjustable throw out bearing today. Read the instructions took the required measurements and found that my throw out needs to be 2.70" tall. A stock Jeep throw out is 1.60" tall. Which all makes sense that my pedal was hitting the floor for clutch disengagement.

The f'in problem is that the adjustable throw out bearing is only adjustable out to 2.30". ****, ****, ***, ***** damn **** ***!!!!

So I said f it and adjusted it out to 2.10". That's .50" the same thickness as the Novak engine to trans adapter. Bolted everything up and it a little better. I get clutch disengagement 2" off the floor. But it is still not right.

I'm getting pissed this is suppose to all just bolt up! Novak is closed for the weekend. So that's another week lost. I though maybe that I needed a different flywheel that's thicker to get the clutch closer to the trans but I cant find even a mention of one.

I think I need the adapter to use the Chevy bell housing instead of this crap. I don't think I have ever been this pissed about a product I purchased. This is bull5h1t!!!

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Unread 02-03-2013, 08:38 AM   #782
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Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble man.
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Unread 02-03-2013, 09:46 AM   #783
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Yea well it wouldn't be so damned frustrating if Novak had a clue. I read where a few people have used a flywheel they got from Novak? I have only heard of using the stock flywheel from them.

I have sent out a few PM's to other members that are running nv3550 or ax15 behind their vortecs. Hopefully I will hear something back.

You would think that a company that puts out a kit would have some earthly idea what is needed to make that kit work.

If anyone is reading this has a Nv3550. ax15 or nsg370 behind your Vortec please post up how you made it work.
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Unread 02-03-2013, 06:07 PM   #784
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I MAY have figured out the issue. A big maybe.

Looks like I need a different clutch. Ill know more tomorrow.
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Unread 02-04-2013, 09:11 AM   #785
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hope you figure out your problem man. i have a 5.3 with sm465 behind it using novak hydro slave retrofit as well. had nothing but issues trying to set it up. i had no pressure after multiple bleeds. after it set for a day it magically got better but not great. still mushy about 1/2 travel then harder pedal. im still not sure it's adjusted right but i have a centerforce clutch and gm TOB. i adjusted the pushrod the WHOLE way out almost to the point i thought i was going to have to weld it together. when the engines not running i can't turn the transfer case output without the pedal being down...i called novak and didn't get any help reguarding this issue. that was a while ago...i know if i burn up a novak flywheel, centerforce clutch and have to redo all this because of a screwed up design on their part i will not be happpy...
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Unread 02-04-2013, 09:26 AM   #786
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hope you figure out your problem man. i have a 5.3 with sm465 behind it using novak hydro slave retrofit as well. had nothing but issues trying to set it up. i had no pressure after multiple bleeds. after it set for a day it magically got better but not great. still mushy about 1/2 travel then harder pedal. im still not sure it's adjusted right but i have a centerforce clutch and gm TOB. i adjusted the pushrod the WHOLE way out almost to the point i thought i was going to have to weld it together. when the engines not running i can't turn the transfer case output without the pedal being down...i called novak and didn't get any help reguarding this issue. that was a while ago...i know if i burn up a novak flywheel, centerforce clutch and have to redo all this because of a screwed up design on their part i will not be happpy...
You may want to look into what flywheel and clutch you are using. That may be your issue.
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Unread 02-04-2013, 09:28 AM   #787
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I'm watching your build very closely, i hate my 4l60e... So a manual is possibly in my near future
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Unread 02-04-2013, 09:32 AM   #788
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I found a few things this weekend. I need to find 1" of clutch of throw out to use this kit. A guy on NC4x4 is also using this kit with his AX15 behind his 5.3. There are a few differences in what he is using and what I am.

1) McLeod 460535 flywheel. Supposedly sits .400" towards the trans than a stock 4.8/6.0 flywheel. I ordered one so we will see.

2) LUK 04-049 clutch. This is an older 70-mid 80's Chevy clutch.

3) There is absolutely zero information on flywheel or clutch dimensions, thickness. Nothing, nodda. Very frustrating.

I purchased the clutch locally and bolted it up to my stock 4.8/6.0 flywheel to get a few measurements. The older flywheel sits .60" higher off of the flywheel than the OEM 2004 4.8 clutch. So there is the .60"s.

Flywheel and clutch should be here by the end of the week. Everything that I currently have Novak offered to buy back from me which is nice.

I just wanna drive my damned Jeep!!!!!!!!

Info gathered from both Novak and here:

http://www.nc4x4.com/forum/index.php...getter.131712/

That is an awesome build by the way worth checking out even if you don't care about a manual behind an LS
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Unread 02-04-2013, 09:40 AM   #789
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hope you figure out your problem man. i have a 5.3 with sm465 behind it using novak hydro slave retrofit as well. had nothing but issues trying to set it up. i had no pressure after multiple bleeds. after it set for a day it magically got better but not great. still mushy about 1/2 travel then harder pedal. im still not sure it's adjusted right but i have a centerforce clutch and gm TOB. i adjusted the pushrod the WHOLE way out almost to the point i thought i was going to have to weld it together. when the engines not running i can't turn the transfer case output without the pedal being down...i called novak and didn't get any help reguarding this issue. that was a while ago...i know if i burn up a novak flywheel, centerforce clutch and have to redo all this because of a screwed up design on their part i will not be happpy...
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I'm watching your build very closely, i hate my 4l60e... So a manual is possibly in my near future
Read this:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/10682911-post174.html

Only error on this is that it states that the Newer OEM clutch sits 1" TALLER than old, is incorrect. The old sits taller than the new.
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Unread 02-05-2013, 09:33 AM   #790
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well i ordered enough from novak and using their information they said it was designed to work with any stock or aftermarket 350 clutch. according to their call they said if i had any issues with a clutch i could just go into any parts store and get a 350 clutch and no issues.. unfortunately theres no better info other than to just try it and see what happens in my case. im going to swap out the master fitting to the AA and see if that helps with a bit more bleeding. i wish i knew how far the arm was supposed to move at the pushrod to measure it on my end. good luck on yours man
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Unread 02-10-2013, 11:09 AM   #791
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I just wanted to make sure I'm dumb.

I got my Novak flywheel Friday and installed it last night. Decided to make sure everything with it was ok and started the engine with just the flywheel attached.

I feel a vibration on accel and decal and I wanted to ask if it because of the way I have the motor supported. Currently there is a jack stand under the oil pan. I have zero suspension movement when I bounce on the bumper.

So essentially no motor mounts and no suspension. Seems to be a harmonic vibration not something out of balance. See pic.

I threw on the OEM flywheel just to make sure the new one isn't out of balance and the same vibrations are present. Do I continue the trans install? Am I just over thinking all this?
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Unread 02-10-2013, 11:37 AM   #792
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I just wanted to make sure I'm dumb.

I got my Novak flywheel Friday and installed it last night. Decided to make sure everything with it was ok and started the engine with just the flywheel attached.

I feel a vibration on accel and decal and I wanted to ask if it because of the way I have the motor supported. Currently there is a jack stand under the oil pan. I have zero suspension movement when I bounce on the bumper.

So essentially no motor mounts and no suspension. Seems to be a harmonic vibration not something out of balance. See pic.

I threw on the OEM flywheel just to make sure the new one isn't out of balance and the same vibrations are present. Do I continue the trans install? Am I just over thinking all this?

if all you changed was the flywheel and it vibrates the same on the jackstand with both flywheels then i'd say continue, it works the same as when i had my engine mounts too tight on my novak mounts, i got some funky vibrations, loosened them up a little and it was all better
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Unread 02-10-2013, 11:44 AM   #793
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if all you changed was the flywheel and it vibrates the same on the jackstand with both flywheels then i'd say continue, it works the same as when i had my engine mounts too tight on my novak mounts, i got some funky vibrations, loosened them up a little and it was all better
My Novak engine mounts are torqued down pretty well also. Only change currently is the auto trans is out and the flywheel is attached.

I have zero movement between the engine, Jeep body and ground. It's like everything is hard mounted together.
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Unread 02-10-2013, 11:47 AM   #794
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My Novak engine mounts are torqued down pretty well also.

I have zero movement between the engine, Jeep body and ground. It's like everything is hard mounted together.
if you want you can take it off the jackstand, then stick a board between the intake and the firewall so the engine doesn't lean back so far. it'll still probably vibrate a little but much less than the jackstand i bet.
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1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
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my on board alternator/welder write up
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my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
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Unread 02-10-2013, 11:48 AM   #795
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or don't support it at all just let it down slowly, ive left my engine unsupported on the novak mounts plenty of times and it didnt move too terribly far
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1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
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my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
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RC vs BDS
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